[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Achilles

She had two chances to apologize for her behaviour that resulted in complaints and warnings. She refused. She was immature and nasty. The apology to Ashleigh came after a visit from her nasty gang. AFTER that, she had the second chance to apologize during her speech. Refused again and was dismissive yet again. There is no genuine regret or remorse in her. She has not changed and not been on a journey. Once she leaves she will be exactly the same as when she went in. Just like the rest of her nasty gang

Nasty gang? There is no 'gang' ! Just HMs in big brother who got on with each other. Just because Ashleigh and Danielle etc chose to spend time away from them doesn't automatically make the others a 'gang' any more than it makes Ashleigh and co a 'gang' themselves!

And anyway what does Helen have to apologise to Ashleigh for? She embraced her and enjoyed her during the Red/Blue team task despite Ashleigh's 'evil plan'. And what did Ashleigh do? Just continued the feud for no reason other than her flat out dislike of Helen and her inability to rise above it. If anyone should apologise - it's Ashleigh!

Hilarious how you say Helen hasn't changed etc when the last 2 shows she watched Ashleigh slag her off to the nines and how did she respond? Calling a truce and giving her a big hug saying let's enjoy the last day together! Ver y mature, positive, progressive behaviour and a perfect end to the series!

Helen's mellowed, Ashleigh's mellowed - they've all moved on from the bitterness - why not you?

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

She spoke about her because she thought she'd been evicted, that's reflective, just as Ash spoke about her when he thought she'd been evicted but obviously he had a different experience with her. The provocation was brought on by Big Brother

Yes it was Ashleigh venting in a rude negative way about Helen and as you pointed out - not provoked by Helen.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Achilles

It was an awful post. Helen is a miserable immature brat and a nasty bully to people she doesn't like. Helen would be THE worst winner of all time. "fun" for Helen is being nasty to others.

Can you not have a think for a minute and realise that this post could relate to BOTH of them?

They have BOTH been nasty to people they dislike, they have BOTH bitched constantly about others and about each other.

Originally Posted by susie q

Ashleigh only had one target and that was Helen. Helen had several Danielle, Jale Christopher etc. She not only bitched about them behind there backs but used intimidating tactics including isolation of her victims. She doesnt need 100k she will unfortunatel be the only one who will make any money outside the house, let her be satisfied with that.
I agree that Pauline started the ball rolling but Helen ran with it. Anyway it really is to late for these hate any housemate threads. I for one have made up mind who to vote for, and this thread has done nothing to make me change my mind. Time for them to stop.

That's not true at all. No one was safe from Ashleigh and Danielle when they were sat in the pod or bedroom bitching, Ash, Winston, Kimberly, Helen to name a few all got it in the neck..

This is what I mentioned a couple of days ago, supporters from either side post things that can easily be applied to the other person, that's because both of them have been nasty, said bad things and bitched etc.

From someone that doesn't care much about either it is so clear to see that they have similar personality traits.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Yes it was Ashleigh venting in a rude negative way about Helen and as you pointed out - not provoked by Helen.

orchestrated by big brother though, why wouldn't Ashleigh speak to her friend about a HM she didn't like after she thought she'd been evicted? I would

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Josy

Can you not have a think for a minute and realise that this post could relate to BOTH of them?

They have BOTH been nasty to people they dislike, they have BOTH bitched constantly about others and about each other.



That's not true at all. No one was safe from Ashleigh and Danielle when they were sat in the pod or bedroom bitching, Ash, Winston, Kimberly, Helen to name a few all got it in the neck..

This is what I mentioned a couple of days ago, supporters from either side post things that can easily be applied to the other person, that's because both of them have been nasty, said bad things and bitched etc.

From someone that doesn't care much about either it is so clear to see that they have similar personality traits.

I don't compare bullies with victims of bullies. If someone doesn't like a person because they are nasty and a bully, I support them. Helen was nasty to housemates, Ashleigh didn't like being in a house with a nasty bully. It is no surprise as she has only just left school where she herself was bullied. Helen likes to compare herself with Ashleigh and some listen to what Helen says and agree. I don't because Helen talks sh**. I judge the situation myself and am not influenced by what Helen, BB or BotS say.

[mitch_3]

I think you must be mistaken self defence with bullying. Ashleigh is mean to hellen, that is true, but who wouldn't be if you would be treated like that by Hellen?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by mitch_3

I think you must be mistaken self defence with bullying. Ashleigh is mean to hellen, that is true, but who wouldn't be if you would be treated like that by Hellen?

Treated like what? Helen has never bullied Ashleigh.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Josy

Treated like what? Helen has never bullied Ashleigh.

When Helen "confronted" Ashleigh flanked by her hounds Kimberly and Jale that can be viewed as bullying. Ashleigh stood up for herself very well though so it lessened the bullying impact. Helen targeted Ashleigh, she didn't target Danielle. Everything Helen accused Ashleigh of, Helen had been guilty of herself. After the argument she even said that she did it with others around so she couldn't be accused of bullying. The warped mind of Helen. Helen is a disgusting person who is nasty and bullies others in order to make herself feel better. She didn't like Ashleigh and was jealous of her. Once she overheard what Ashleigh had said, she had a reason to go after her.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Achilles

she had a reason to go after her.

Thank you for finally admitting it.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Achilles

When Helen "confronted" Ashleigh flanked by her hounds Kimberly and Jale that can be viewed as bullying. Ashleigh stood up for herself very well though so it lessened the bullying impact. Helen targeted Ashleigh, she didn't target Danielle. Everything Helen accused Ashleigh of, Helen had been guilty of herself. After the argument she even said that she did it with others around so she couldn't be accused of bullying. The warped mind of Helen. Helen is a disgusting person who is nasty and bullies others in order to make herself feel better. She didn't like Ashleigh and was jealous of her. Once she overheard what Ashleigh had said, she had a reason to go after her.

If your idea of bullying comes from Helen uncovering what a bitch Ashleigh was and brought into the open how bitchy the little cow was with Daniel, chris and anyone else willing to listen, then I guess you are right.

My take on it was that they are both as bad as each other but in different ways. Helen up front and over the top with verbal rhetoric, *******igh behind their backs with Vitriolic profanities and at times made up lies.