[jet]

I was asked would I make a thread on this post I did earlier, so...

If I hadn't watched celeb apprentice I would be convinced Gary was a poor old man being picked on too. But I'm a bit dubious. He was disruptive and a wind up at times and he drove them nuts on it as well. You seen a lot more of him in action. He had bad social skills, he was rude, inconsiderate and not a team player. When they tried to reason with him he would thank them and say he loved them so that hasn't changed either. He didn't have much of a hearing problem either, but that may have gotten worse.

Two shows with around 24 people - they can't all be uncaring and heartless to whatever degree, it doesn't compute. So it's common sense to assume the main problem stems from Gary himself. I don't think he's fake, I think that is just him. I fully believe what the HM's are saying and I think the editing is misleading. 40 minutes of live feed can't possibly give a true picture. I was hoping that he would drive them all mad, and he is - only we are not really seeing why so we are missing out, I think.
He certainly causes controversy wherever he goes, which makes him a great HM!
What are your thoughts?

[Fosse]

Well, as long as the public keep voting to save him it doesn't really matter what any of us think, does it?

[HBB1508]

He certainly is a great housemate but I'm not buying the editing - I bet he is a nightmare to live with and has an ego the size of a planet!!!

I'm going to have to check out apprentice US now as it really doesn't surpise me that he can be a pain in the butt.

[jet]

Originally Posted by HBB1508

He certainly is a great housemate but I'm not buying the editing - I bet he is a nightmare to live with and has an ego the size of a planet!!!

I'm going to have to check out apprentice US now as it really doesn't surpise me that he can be a pain in the butt.

Very few want to believe it. They like him as a victim.

[mary poppins]

The man is rude, the whole house can't be wrong.

Some people just prefer to cry bullying or intolerance.

[Fosse]

Originally Posted by mary poppins

The man is rude, the whole house can't be wrong.

Some people just prefer to cry bullying or intolerance.

Why not? and it's not the whole house, anyway.

[HBB1508]

Originally Posted by jet

Very few want to believe it. They like him as a victim.

I know and to be honest it's winding me up a bit as I'm pretty sure he is anything but a victim in reality. I admire him for his acting and love his films but as a housemate I would hate to be in there with him as he would drive me round the bend I think.

[Josy]

I think Gary probably isn't the easiest to live with and he does have a big ego and may come across rude at times but that also doesn't mean he is the problem tbh.

It's like saying the kid that gets picked on at school is the problem IMO.

Gary was kinda made the scapegoat on celeb apprentice too, Meatloaf went completely mental at him for 'stealing' his paintbrush and art supplies, I mean roaring at him that he would **** him up etc (I'm a big fan of Meatloaf too) and after everything calmed down guess what happened? one of the other people found Meatloafs bag with all of his supplies and stuff in there and Gary had been innocent all along.

Again not saying Gary does no wrong, far from it but he is the easy nomination, the scapegoat IMHO, a few of the housemates that I feel have jumped on the bandwagon regarding Gary is Dee and George, neither had any problems with him until their buddies did.

But anyway even saying all that, I don't even care if Gary is 'the problem' in the house, he is the one that's keeping me watching, keeping me entertained and interested and that's why I support him.

[Fosse]

Gary will be in the final, either the winner or second.

[Beso]

George is the problem.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by Fosse

Why not? and it's not the whole house, anyway.

This ^^^

I dont think many have said Gary would be easy to live with either.
I think it is more to do with the sheer nastiness in the way some have spoken to him & about him tbh.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by HBB1508

He certainly is a great housemate but I'm not buying the editing - I bet he is a nightmare to live with and has an ego the size of a planet!!!

I'm going to have to check out apprentice US now as it really doesn't surpise me that he can be a pain in the butt.

Edited to the hilt, not once have them shown him spitting on the floor

[Josy]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Edited to the hilt, not once have them shown him spitting on the floor

They have shown it, once, during the Celebrity Agent tasks. Which funnily enough is when someone else in there mentioned it....

[jet]

Originally Posted by Josy

I think Gary probably isn't the easiest to live with and he does have a big ego and may come across rude at times but that also doesn't mean he is the problem tbh.

It's like saying the kid that gets picked on at school is the problem IMO.

Gary was kinda made the scapegoat on celeb apprentice too, Meatloaf went completely mental at him for 'stealing' his paintbrush and art supplies, I mean roaring at him that he would **** him up etc (I'm a big fan of Meatloaf too) and after everything calmed down guess what happened? one of the other people found Meatloafs bag with all of his supplies and stuff in there and Gary had been innocent all along.

Again not saying Gary does no wrong, far from it but he is the easy nomination, the scapegoat IMHO, a few of the housemates that I feel have jumped on the bandwagon regarding Gary is Dee and George, neither had any problems with him until their buddies did.

But anyway even saying all that, I don't even care if Gary is 'the problem' in the house, he is the one that's keeping me watching, keeping me entertained and interested and that's why I support him.

Oh I agree because its the same for me. What I don't agree with is the way Gary is seen as a poor helpless old man who is being victimized and the HM's are heartless uncaring idiots. It's not as cut and dried as that.
Gary isn't being shown as doing anything really wrong in the edits, so it is making the HM's look worse than they actually are and as if they are just making stuff up for no reason other than to get at him. On celeb apprentice, we seen him in action working on campaigns etc, we SEEN why people got at him; he WAS a nightmare, but we could make our own minds up as to whether we liked him or not (and I did like him because he was a nightmare!)
But in CBB there is no balance, no way to judge fairly. I firmly believe the editing is skewed to make people emotionally invested, which is the oldest trick in the book.
I WANT to see bad Gary I was looking forward to it, and I feel cheated.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by jet

Oh I agree because its the same for me. What I don't agree with is the way Gary is seen as a poor helpless old man who is being victimized and the HM's are heartless uncaring idiots. It's not as cut and dried as that.
Gary isn't being shown as doing anything really wrong in the edits, so it is making the HM's look worse than they actually are and as if they are just making stuff up for no reason other than to get at him. On celeb apprentice, we seen him in action working on campaigns etc, we SEEN why people got at him; he WAS a nightmare, but we could make our own minds up as to whether we liked him or not (and I did like him because he was a nightmare!)
But in CBB there is no balance, no way to judge fairly. I firmly believe the editing is skewed to make people emotionally invested, which is the oldest trick in the book.
I WANT to see bad Gary I was looking forward to it, and I feel cheated.

What do you mean by nightmare? What kind of things did he do or say?

[the truth]

he was terrific on the US apprentice. hes being bullied in the house. but hes also been amazing fun, great entertainment and on neither show has he back stabbed anyone

[SocietyIsRuined]

Originally Posted by jet

I was asked would I make a thread on this post I did earlier, so...

If I hadn't watched celeb apprentice I would be convinced Gary was a poor old man being picked on too. But I'm a bit dubious. He was disruptive and a wind up at times and he drove them nuts on it as well. You seen a lot more of him in action. He had bad social skills, he was rude, inconsiderate and not a team player. When they tried to reason with him he would thank them and say he loved them so that hasn't changed either. He didn't have much of a hearing problem either, but that may have gotten worse.

Two shows with around 24 people - they can't all be uncaring and heartless to whatever degree, it doesn't compute. So it's common sense to assume the main problem stems from Gary himself. I don't think he's fake, I think that is just him. I fully believe what the HM's are saying and I think the editing is misleading. 40 minutes of live feed can't possibly give a true picture. I was hoping that he would drive them all mad, and he is - only we are not really seeing why so we are missing out, I think.
He certainly causes controversy wherever he goes, which makes him a great HM!
What are your thoughts?

In Celebrity Apprentice wasn't Gary trying to take the credit for some of the work which the others did and that's why they disliked him? You know like Lou Ferrigno did and then try to throw them under the bus at the boardroom.

You're right about his hearing, I can't remember it being this bad. But he was crazy on that show too.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by jet

I was asked would I make a thread on this post I did earlier, so...

If I hadn't watched celeb apprentice I would be convinced Gary was a poor old man being picked on too. But I'm a bit dubious. He was disruptive and a wind up at times and he drove them nuts on it as well. You seen a lot more of him in action. He had bad social skills, he was rude, inconsiderate and not a team player. When they tried to reason with him he would thank them and say he loved them so that hasn't changed either. He didn't have much of a hearing problem either, but that may have gotten worse.

Two shows with around 24 people - they can't all be uncaring and heartless to whatever degree, it doesn't compute. So it's common sense to assume the main problem stems from Gary himself. I don't think he's fake, I think that is just him. I fully believe what the HM's are saying and I think the editing is misleading. 40 minutes of live feed can't possibly give a true picture. I was hoping that he would drive them all mad, and he is - only we are not really seeing why so we are missing out, I think.
He certainly causes controversy wherever he goes, which makes him a great HM!
What are your thoughts?

Personally I think how he was on another show a few years ago is irrelevant. I like him anyway and I'd love it if he was messing with their heads, I think he's amusing and there are sparks of genuine intelligence mixed with his eccentricity. Having said that he has my sympathies now because I think in the house, right there right now he is getting a rough deal from how they are responding to him. When we see these crazed rants towards him all we see from him is humility.

Personally I'd be telling a few people in there to **** off in his situation. And while I don't want to alarm anyone about my personal hygiene which is just fine thanks, I think in that situation I might be inclined to bathe less if someone came at me like that about having a shower. There are ways to approach someone in a situation like that and James hasn't got a clue. Instead of effectively telling Gary they didn't like him because he hasn't had a shower he could have said 'Hey I noticed you haven't had any shower time, it's free now, do you need any help to get your things in there and sneak in a nice freshen up.' It's all about tact and allowing people to keep their dignity.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by mary poppins

The man is rude, the whole house can't be wrong.

Some people just prefer to cry bullying or intolerance.

Like you when you called me a bully in a thread the other day for no apparent reason? It's right there: http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...=263257&page=2

[the truth]

he deserves to win even for sitting through this vile bullying with complete dignity humlity and patience...never once has he slagged anyone or shouted or gotten angry..despite the evil goading from the group of anti american english bullies

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ellen

What do you mean by nightmare? What kind of things did he do or say?

It was 2 years ago so I can't remember specifics, but he was disruptive, he wanted things done his way, if the team decided on something he would do something different and that drove them nuts, he wasn't a team player etc. He was rude and inconsiderate too.

To be fair, the plus points were he was amusing, enthusiastic, I never seen him spitting or burping and his hearing was fine.

[jet]

Originally Posted by SocietyIsRuined

In Celebrity Apprentice wasn't Gary trying to take the credit for some of the work which the others did and that's why they disliked him? You know like Lou Ferrigno did and then try to throw them under the bus at the boardroom.

You're right about his hearing, I can't remember it being this bad. But he was crazy on that show too.

Yes, he did. He told lies.He also shoved someone over in a temper. Bad Gary was far more fun than pitiful old man Gary.

[Robodog]

The other night on live feed i watched James go on and on at Gary about his faults and all Gary did was nod along.

Then when James's rant was over, Gary went from person to person trying to make light conversation about dinner etc and HMs kept walking away.

There was no clever editing going on there. It just confirmed to me what most people are saying - that Gary is being either ignored or lectured by HMs - while saying nothing bad either to them or about them himself.

It was pretty sad to watch. He looked his age if not older, and seemed pretty exhausted by the whole thing. Who can blame him?

[SocietyIsRuined]

Originally Posted by jet

Yes, he did. He told lies.He also shoved someone over in a temper. Bad Gary was far more fun than pitiful old man Gary.

To me though he seems the same person on the apprentice. The only difference is that half of these housemates can't be bothered to hear his conversations and such. You can tell he's a good guy though from the Meat Loaf confrontation. The way he took that was amazing without retaliation.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by jet

It was 2 years ago so I can't remember specifics, but he was disruptive, he wanted things done his way, if the team decided on something he would do something different and that drove them nuts, he wasn't a team player etc. He was rude and inconsiderate too.

To be fair, the plus points were he was amusing, enthusiastic, I never seen him spitting or burping and his hearing was fine.

Ah right. Yes i can imagine he is hard work and will test some people's patience but he does seem to a team player in BB, he joins in all the tasks and does what is asked of him. I think the only thing he has refused to do is sleep outside during the night.
Like you say he is a great HM even if he does drive them nuts!