[Liam-]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The problem with Dee in that particular clip was that after her completely false, BB inspired apology to Gary, she immediately went back to her real character.

If you watched bots last night, I'm sure you would have noticed the production teams bias toward Dee and George, it was really obvious. I really hope these 2 are not being led by BB in their behaviour in the final days, but I have my suspicions. I'm just hoping the voting public are not easily led.

There's a defined difference between apologising to Gary and calling his wife a bitch.. she wanted to apologise to Gary, because as she said, her Dad would be ashamed if he saw her acting like that because it's not normally how she behaves and having watched Benefit street, she's telling the truth, she is normally calm and collected and trying to sort situations out, that apology in my eyes was 100% genuine, but just because she apologised to Gary, doesn't mean she shouldn't fire back at his wife who openly insulted her and everyone else in the house apart from her angel , she's human, that's just how people react.
I did watch bots unfortunately but i couldn't see an ounce of bias toward either Dee or George... apart from the narcissistic 'psychologist' saying George was up there to be a winner, but does anyone even listen to her tripe anyway?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

What she said was so obviously an insult, i understand that his wife will stick up for him no matter what (as his fans will) but if she wanted to say something nice to Gary, she could have done, without feeling the need to insult the entire house, even those that have gone out of their way to help Gary.
She could have easily complimented Gary and told him how she felt, but adding the insult that the rest are dim and in turn insinuating that he's above everyone else, wasn't necessary imo.
No matter who you are, if someone insults you, then you have the right to say something about it, just because she's on a tv show where she put herself up for judgement, doesn't mean she loses all rights to retaliate.

I am sick of these comments. I am a Gary fan an take insult at this because I point out Gary's flaws and wrongs all the time as do plenty of others.

And Gary's wife has watched him being, shouted at, spoken down too, isolated, picked on and more over the past couple of weeks yet Gary has never once retaliated with an angry word which is exactly what she meant with her comment, she wanted him to know she had seen it and understood how he was feeling, she is allowed to console him for goodness sake, if motor mouth Dee took those comments as a direct insult to her then that's her guilty conscience in play there, I notice she was the only one to pick up on it and then go on to not only insult Gary's wife but threaten to see her when she got out of the house.

She harped on to Audley through fake tears that 'That's not who I am' 'I'm not a nasty person' then the minute something annoyed her she was back to her true self.

That's is the real Dee btw the one that comes out in annoyance, not the mother hen person she's trying to pass herself off as.

Now you continue defending Dee as much as you like I'm just glad most people saw her comments for the nastiness that they are.

[delta]

Originally Posted by Josy

I am sick of these comments. I am a Gary fan an take insult at this because I point out Gary's flaws and wrongs all the time as do plenty of others.

And Gary's wife has watched him being, shouted at, spoken down too, isolated, picked on and more over the past couple of weeks yet Gary has never once retaliated with an angry word which is exactly what she meant with her comment, she wanted him to know she had seen it and understood how he was feeling, she is allowed to console him for goodness sake, if motor mouth Dee took those comments as a direct insult to her then that's her guilty conscience in play there, I notice she was the only one to pick up on it and then go on to not only insult Gary's wife but threaten to see her when she got out of the house.

She harped on to Audley through fake tears that 'That's not who I am' 'I'm not a nasty person' then the minute something annoyed her she was back to her true self.

That's is the real Dee btw the one that comes out in annoyance, not the mother hen person she's trying to pass herself off as.

Now you continue defending Dee as much as you like I'm just glad most people saw her comments for the nastiness that they are.

Well said !

[bots]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

There's a defined difference between apologising to Gary and calling his wife a bitch.. she wanted to apologise to Gary, because as she said, her Dad would be ashamed if he saw her acting like that because it's not normally how she behaves and having watched Benefit street, she's telling the truth, she is normally calm and collected and trying to sort situations out, that apology in my eyes was 100% genuine, but just because she apologised to Gary, doesn't mean she shouldn't fire back at his wife who openly insulted her and everyone else in the house apart from her angel , she's human, that's just how people react.
I did watch bots unfortunately but i couldn't see an ounce of bias toward either Dee or George... apart from the narcissistic 'psychologist' saying George was up there to be a winner, but does anyone even listen to her tripe anyway?

ok, supposing you are correct in your assumptions, Dee could have said something like, Gary's wife ... imagine saying that about us ... instead, she called her a bitch and threatened to beat her up when she got out

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by delta

Does it hurt or offend you that the words she chose were a) a double meaning and b) if you took them for the other housemates to be dim and boring - that they are only what the majority of the rest of us are thinking.

On every thread you appear to argue the opposite side of it are you being deliberately obtuse are you just bored?

Nobody is saying she doesn't have a right to pass comment. It's more how and when it's delivered. With meanness and hatred, along with a good dollop of content,which betrays the fact that she had supposedly just made peace with Gary.

Not in the least Meatloaf is the female equivalent of Bully Elliot, both bullies, both sly and both simmering with discontent for the old man. Either will do anything to gain some mileage in his downfall.

So far they both have something else in common, they have both failed miserably in the objective, to the point where Mr Busey's stock couldn't be higher.

Why do you keep accusing me of arguing a different side to everyone else just for the sake of it? Something tells me that you have no respect for other people's opinions and see them as below yours, so clearly they aren't true? what i am saying is my opinion, i do not care in the slightest if i am 'going against the majority' i've been doing that my whole life, i'm not going to bow down from pressure to agree with people if i don't and i never will

she could have easily said it to his face, which would have been awful to see and i wouldn't have stuck up for her if she did that.. but she didn't, she waited until he wasn't there and had a private conversation with Edele, she stated what she thought about how his wife had insulted them all, she had every right to, i din't see no nastiness, just someone passing comment on something someone had said to insult them.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

ok, supposing you are correct in your assumptions, Dee could have said something like, Gary's wife ... imagine saying that about us ... instead, she called her a bitch and threatened to beat her up when she got out

Did she?.. she said she's love to meet her when she got out, she didn't threaten to beat her up

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Josy

I am sick of these comments. I am a Gary fan an take insult at this because I point out Gary's flaws and wrongs all the time as do plenty of others.

And Gary's wife has watched him being, shouted at, spoken down too, isolated, picked on and more over the past couple of weeks yet Gary has never once retaliated with an angry word which is exactly what she meant with her comment, she wanted him to know she had seen it and understood how he was feeling, she is allowed to console him for goodness sake, if motor mouth Dee took those comments as a direct insult to her then that's her guilty conscience in play there, I notice she was the only one to pick up on it and then go on to not only insult Gary's wife but threaten to see her when she got out of the house.

She harped on to Audley through fake tears that 'That's not who I am' 'I'm not a nasty person' then the minute something annoyed her she was back to her true self.

That's is the real Dee btw the one that comes out in annoyance, not the mother hen person she's trying to pass herself off as.

Now you continue defending Dee as much as you like I'm just glad most people saw her comments for the nastiness that they are.

I didn't say you didn't did i? i said his fans stick up for him no matter what he does, you might point out some of his flaws, but you still stick up for him, do you not?
And it's just conjecture about her comments, it's based on opinion whether they were nasty or not, i wish people would stop stating their opinion as facts, i'm sick of it.

[bots]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Did she?.. she said she's love to meet her when she got out, she didn't threaten to beat her up

lool, ok ... lets agree to disagree, as we have done many times before. I have a very fixed view on the subject, not going to change it, and it seems you do too

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

lool, ok ... lets agree to disagree, as we have done many times before. I have a very fixed view on the subject, not going to change it, and it seems you do too

Saying you want to meet someone is not a threat to beat them up omg
But you're right, i am a stubborn get, so we shall agree to disagree.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

I didn't say you didn't did i? i said his fans stick up for him no matter what he does, you might point out some of his flaws, but you still stick up for him, do you not?
And it's just conjecture about her comments, it's based on opinion whether they were nasty or not, i wish people would stop stating their opinion as facts, i'm sick of it.

Yes you did say me because you used a blanket statement about Gary fans.

And no his fans don't stick up for him no matter what, like the other night for example many posted on this very forum that he was in the wrong for removing his trousers in the kitchen.

And calling someone a bitch when you don't even know the person is nasty, that is fact whether you like it or not.

But like I said above, you go on defending Dee at the same time as protesting that other housemates fan 'stick up for them no matter what'

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by delta

Does it hurt or offend you that the words she chose were a) a double meaning and b) if you took them for the other housemates to be dim and boring - that they are only what the majority of the rest of us are thinking.

On every thread you appear to argue the opposite side of it are you being deliberately obtuse are you just bored?

Nobody is saying she doesn't have a right to pass comment. It's more how and when it's delivered. With meanness and hatred, along with a good dollop of contempt,which betrays the fact that she had supposedly just made peace with Gary.

Not in the least Meatloaf is the female equivalent of Bully Elliot, both bullies, both sly and both simmering with discontent for the old man. Either will do anything to gain some mileage in his downfall.

So far they both have something else in common, they have both failed miserably in their objective, to the point where Mr Busey's stock couldn't be higher.

I could not agree more - but be very careful when responding to this member - no matter how benign your post is on a personal level, because 2 of us have been warned for innocuous responses which were not personally abusive. It makes us both more reluctant now to respond. Long Live Freedom Of Speech And Democracy eh?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Josy

Yes you did say me because you used a blanket statement about Gary fans.

And no his fans don't stick up for him no matter what, like the other night for example many posted on this very forum that he was in the wrong for removing his trousers in the kitchen.

And calling someone a bitch when you don't even know the person is nasty, that is fact whether you like it or not.

But like I said above, you go on defending Dee at the same time as protesting that other housemates fan 'stick up for them no matter what'

Many people did chastise him for pulling his trousers down.. but went on to say 'but he was fixing his injury so he should be excused'
I never said that his fans don't point out his flaws, i said they'd stick up for him no matter what, because they do, it's a fact.

None of us know any of these housemates, we only see them on tv for an hour a night, we are shown what BB want to show us, we don't know any of those people in there, but yet they are called much worse things, when they haven't done a single thing to any of us to deserve such hatred and bile thrown at them, Gary's wife insulted all of them, so got herself involved, so Dee was well within her right to say something, i wonder if this much fuss would be being made about it if Audley was the one to say it?

I don't deny sticking up for Dee though, i see things from all perspectives, if she does something wrong, i say she has done something wrong and don't make excuses for her, unlike the majority of Gary fans do.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

What she said was so obviously an insult, i understand that his wife will stick up for him no matter what (as his fans will) but if she wanted to say something nice to Gary, she could have done, without feeling the need to insult the entire house, even those that have gone out of their way to help Gary.
She could have easily complimented Gary and told him how she felt, but adding the insult that the rest are dim and in turn insinuating that he's above everyone else, wasn't necessary imo.
No matter who you are, if someone insults you, then you have the right to say something about it, just because she's on a tv show where she put herself up for judgement, doesn't mean she loses all rights to retaliate.

This is a game and it was an unnecessary reply, Dee didnt do herself any good by doing it. Wait until afterwards and have ones say, she even insulted the person who gave her criticism over her clothes thus she will have lost public support that way. Had Stephanie insulted any individual she would have been in the wrong but she didnt she stated a fact re the house itself which has been in turmoil all the way through. Dee after apologising to Gary, went one step forward and then a thousand backward again. Not a good gameplay and please dont say she isnt playing a game because she is, they all are.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Many people did chastise him for pulling his trousers down.. but went on to say 'but he was fixing his injury so he should be excused'
I never said that his fans don't point out his flaws, i said they'd stick up for him no matter what, because they do, it's a fact.

None of us know any of these housemates, we only see them on tv for an hour a night, we are shown what BB want to show us, we don't know any of those people in there, but yet they are called much worse things, when they haven't done a single thing to any of us to deserve such hatred and bile thrown at them, Gary's wife insulted all of them, so got herself involved, so Dee was well within her right to say something, i wonder if this much fuss would be being made about it if Audley was the one to say it?

I don't deny sticking up for Dee though, i see things from all perspectives, if she does something wrong, i say she has done something wrong and don't make excuses for her, unlike the majority of Gary fans do.

Again you are saying above you are sick of people posting opinion as fact then you go do it yourself.

I posted the other night that Gary should not have removed his trousers in the kitchen, it should have been done in private and never once mentioned his knee, that point right there proves your comment isn't fact.

I can't be bothered replying to your spiel about BB and the housemates being shown with editing etc because it's pointless and doesn't relate here.

Housemates sign up to BB knowing they will be judged on every little detail that is shown, the forums and websites wouldn't be here if that wasn't the case and housemates are fair game within reason.

I will say this though...your posts are getting more and more aimed at 'fans' of a housemate rather than the topic of discussion and the housemates themselves, that's shaky ground because it's against the forum rules to do that.

[Tarryn]

I never knew who Dee was before BB started but the more I see of her the more I dislike her.
She is very fake towards Gary. Saying your sorry just to make yourself look better is a horrible thing to do.
Her telling both Ricci & James how amazing they are shows what a poor judge of character she is.
I really hope she get's evicted tonight but I have a strange feeling she is staying.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Jules2

This is a game and it was an unnecessary reply, Dee didnt do herself any good by doing it. Wait until afterwards and have ones say, she even insulted the person who gave her criticism over her clothes thus she will have lost public support that way. Had Stephanie insulted any individual she would have been in the wrong but she didnt she stated a fact re the house itself which has been in turmoil all the way through. Dee after apologising to Gary, went one step forward and then a thousand backward again. Not a good gameplay and please dont say she isnt playing a game because she is, they all are.

She did wait until afterwards to have her say, she could have said it to Gary, or in front of Gary, but she didn't.
But c'mon, that was justified, those people are i there to be judged for their personality, not the way they look or dress, that call was uncalled for and anyone would have done the same thing Dee did, i know i would have
I genuinely don't understand this thing about her not being able to speak her mind after apologising to Gary, just because someone apologises, doesn't take away the annoyance..
I wouldn't say they're all playing a game, i don't think some of them are intelligent enough to play a game

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Josy

I am sick of these comments. I am a Gary fan an take insult at this because I point out Gary's flaws and wrongs all the time as do plenty of others.

And Gary's wife has watched him being, shouted at, spoken down too, isolated, picked on and more over the past couple of weeks yet Gary has never once retaliated with an angry word which is exactly what she meant with her comment, she wanted him to know she had seen it and understood how he was feeling, she is allowed to console him for goodness sake, if motor mouth Dee took those comments as a direct insult to her then that's her guilty conscience in play there, I notice she was the only one to pick up on it and then go on to not only insult Gary's wife but threaten to see her when she got out of the house.

She harped on to Audley through fake tears that 'That's not who I am' 'I'm not a nasty person' then the minute something annoyed her she was back to her true self.

That's is the real Dee btw the one that comes out in annoyance, not the mother hen person she's trying to pass herself off as.

Now you continue defending Dee as much as you like I'm just glad most people saw her comments for the nastiness that they are.

Well said Josy.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Josy

Again you are saying above you are sick of people posting opinion as fact then you go do it yourself.

I posted the other night that Gary should not have removed his trousers in the kitchen, it should have been done in private and never once mentioned his knee, that point right there proves your comment isn't fact.

I can't be bothered replying to your spiel about BB and the housemates being shown with editing etc because it's pointless and doesn't relate here.

Housemates sign up to BB knowing they will be judged on every little detail that is shown, the forums and websites wouldn't be here if that wasn't the case and housemates are fair game within reason.

I will say this though...your posts are getting more and more aimed at 'fans' of a housemate rather than the topic of discussion and the housemates themselves, that's shaky ground because it's against the forum rules to do that.

The edited shows are relevant though, you said Dee insulted a woman she doesn't know, which to me is implying that Gary's wife had the right to insult everyone in the house because she knows them.. which she doesn't, so once she places herself there and insults the people in the house, she opens herself up to be insulted back by them in my books

Not really though.. the majority of the time i am openly discussing housemates, this whole thing was started over 4 words of an entire paragraph and then you started saying i was insulting all of his fans, which then became this unnecessary fiasco..

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Why do you keep accusing me of arguing a different side to everyone else just for the sake of it? Something tells me that you have no respect for other people's opinions and see them as below yours, so clearly they aren't true? what i am saying is my opinion, i do not care in the slightest if i am 'going against the majority' i've been doing that my whole life, i'm not going to bow down from pressure to agree with people if i don't and i never will

she could have easily said it to his face, which would have been awful to see and i wouldn't have stuck up for her if she did that.. but she didn't, she waited until he wasn't there and had a private conversation with Edele, she stated what she thought about how his wife had insulted them all, she had every right to, i din't see no nastiness, just someone passing comment on something someone had said to insult them.

You are disrespecting the original poster right there by saying he has no respect for others opinions.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by jaxie

You are disrespecting the original poster right there by saying he has no respect for others opinions.

I'm not disrespecting anyone, good try though
My opinion was belittled and passed off as me 'trying to be difficult' because it wasn't the same as the person who i was replying to, so my reply was more than warranted tyvm.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

She called the entire house dim apart from her lovely Gary.. she insulted everyone in that house, so why shouldn't she be insulted back?

She was right the house is dim,all as dull as dishwater,all miserable sods,what's that if not dim?

[Ammi]

..from what I recall, Gary's wife said that he was the only bright or shiny star in a dim house..?..which was referring to what she said that he hadn't bitched about any of the housemates while all of the others have at some point/mocked him etc...I don't think he has either..?/bitched in any way, has he...?...

..anyway, that's what she's seen and we've all seen as viewers so she's fine to make a comment on that but in Dee insulting her it's completely different because Dee hasn't seen any 'highlights' of Gary's wife to make it right to judge her character in any way...it was just a spiteful and unnecessary remark and Dee might not like 'facing that in black and white and print' but it's what we've all seen in the house..that they have all bitched and mocked and I don't think Gary has, making him the 'shining star'....

[mary poppins]

A lot of the people on this forum are judging dee on what she did on some programme.
This is a.different game and everyone should be judged equally. Most hm had a row with Gary and in my opinion they were pushed to the limit by him.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by mary poppins

A lot of the people on this forum are judging dee on what she did on some programme.
This is a.different game and everyone should be judged equally. Most hm had a row with Gary and in my opinion they were pushed to the limit by him.

..my thoughts are only about what Dee said about Gary's wife and why she said it and nothing more and nothing less...

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

I never knew who Dee was before BB started but the more I see of her the more I dislike her.
She is very fake towards Gary. Saying your sorry just to make yourself look better is a horrible thing to do.
Her telling both Ricci & James how amazing they are shows what a poor judge of character she is.
I really hope she get's evicted tonight but I have a strange feeling she is staying.

Have just read that people are again backing her to win, she is in fourth place at the moment but imo she along with George have been the favourites since day one. They have had their moneysworth out of Gary, he has been top for a long time now but now is the crunch. What are the powers that be going to do, he wont go tonight but we have to go on and on voting for him because once the bookies and others get a hold that will be it.

It is now all about the money to be earnt from winnnings. Dee has been at a low price for a while if she wins and there has been bets placed on her at that price, they will rake it in. This is what happened with Ashleigh and Helen, it wasnt their personalities it was the bulk getting together of organisations to evict Winston as he was seen as a winner and then placing more bets on Helen and building her up. It is definitely a moneygame. The excuse that it is because Gary beared his bottom in front of her, is very lame and disgusting. As said George also beared part of his butt and he was hit with a teacloth. They have just had their moneysworth out of him.

Think positive and vote vote vote for Gary Busey, he is the one and only winner. Audley you have to come second and let Lauren stay tonight, that would be a bonus. Grrrrrrrrrrrr must do some work.

It will be interesting to see if BOTS big her up tonight, Audley is one of the only voices of reason.