[Jules2]

Originally Posted by lostalex

It's not a great post at all, he provided no evidence at all against my points, he used the usual religious excuse "well you can't prove i'm wrong, so maybe you are wrong too!" he just repeated the same conspiracist "i'm smarter than everyone else, because i'm not a sheep" crap you can read every day on blog like AboveTopSecret and al the other dumb conspiracy websites, funny enough those conspiracy people have a lot in common with Religious nuts like followers of pat robertson and jerry fallwell, even though they claim to be polar opposites.

Do you believe in Unicorns or Minotaurs? if not, why not prove to me that a giant Minotaur doesn't control the planet. How do religious people not realize how stupid they sound?

Tbh Lostalex, I do believe that we do not have to be sheep, we have to think for ourselves and keep our minds open at all times. There is nothing that we can really prove for everyone. The things which I think today may, in a few years time, be proven to be wrong. I wont feel blue though as my mind is never closed.

There are so many thoughts about everything that I do not see the connection between "can you prove blah blah blah" as being a religious aspect. To me it is fact, I say this you say that, can you prove what you say, I cant tbh because they are my experiences which I will not deny. I say I am not religious but I find comfort in a lot of things which are connected to religion, ie I love hymns (not hers psst nothing wrong in loving hers ).

Re Minatours and alike, for me I have to remember that all words are man made but I do not know and cannot prove whether a great being is in control. If so that being is energy something which we can all tap into to find a better understanding of life and purpose.

If life was diminshed and begun again, if a man was found upon a beach and he discovered a beano or a fairytale book, would he believe that that was the "bible" of sorts. The answer is we really do not know so for me we have to flip the coin for all/everything to be considered.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jules2

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Tbh Lostalex, I do believe that we do not have to be sheep, we have to think for ourselves and keep our minds open at all times. There is nothing that we can really prove for everyone. The things which I think today may, in a few years time, be proven to be wrong. I wont feel blue though as my mind is never closed.

There are so many thoughts about everything that I do not see the connection between "can you prove blah blah blah" as being a religious aspect. To me it is fact, I say this you say that, can you prove what you say, I cant tbh because they are my experiences which I will not deny. I say I am not religious but I find comfort in a lot of things which are connected to religion, ie I love hymns (not hers psst nothing wrong in loving hers ).

Re Minatours and alike, for me I have to remember that all words are man made but I do not know and cannot prove whether a great being is in control. If so that being is energy something which we can all tap into to find a better understanding of life and purpose.

If life was diminshed and begun again, if a man was found upon a beach and he discovered a beano or a fairytale book, would he believe that that was the "bible" of sorts. The answer is we really do not know so for me we have to flip the coin for all/everything to be considered.

I thnk we are finding out. because now that more and more children are raised without religion we also see that the next generations believe in it less, and religion is dying. because no one is born believing in god, it really is just brainwashing. The entire concept of God is just brainwashing by the churches that want to hold power over the people. Also we can see that the more educated people are in actual science and facts, the less likely they are to believe in God. and the opposite is also true, the less educated and less intelligent people are MORE likely to believe in God. Why does God choose the dumb people to believe in him? again, God sounds like an asshole.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I thnk we are finding out. because now that more and more children are raised without religion we also see that the next generations believe in it less, and religion is dying. because no one is born believing in god, it really is just brainwashing. The entire concept of God is just brainwashing by the churches that want to hold power over the people. Also we can see that the more educated people are in actual science and facts, the less likely they are to believe in God. and the opposite is also true, the less educated and less intelligent people are MORE likely to believe in God. Why does God choose the dumb people to believe in him? again, God sounds like an asshole.

My parents always made me go to Sunday School but they never went themselves I think it was more to get my brother and I out of the way

I have never pushed religion or my beliefs down my children and grandchildrens throats but have often asked what they believe in. Surprisingly enough they have good ethics. Just talking and explaining to them over the years are well within the reach of parents and grandparents. Their own life experiences give them an understanding that if they touch a hotplate, it burns.

Nobody is dumb though if they believe in God it is their way in life. Whilst things maybe changing now, there are many old school who will still be dogmatic about the whys and wherefores of their beliefs. So long as they make allowances for all then it is truly fine.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jules2

My parents always made me go to Sunday School but they never went themselves I think it was more to get my brother and I out of the way

I have never pushed religion or my beliefs down my children and grandchildrens throats but have often asked what they believe in. Surprisingly enough they have good ethics. Just talking and explaining to them over the years are well within the reach of parents and grandparents. Their own life experiences give them an understanding that if they touch a hotplate, it burns.

Nobody is dumb though if they believe in God it is their way in life. Whilst things maybe changing now, there are many old school who will still be dogmatic about the whys and wherefores of their beliefs. So long as they make allowances for all then it is truly fine.

I agree that there is nothing wrong with parents or grandparents sharing their beliefs with their children/grandchildren as long as it's an open dialogue, and not just a lecture. Do you encourage your children/grandchildren to question things and make up their own minds though? or did you intentionally try to influence them by giving or withholding love? Most parents/grandparents reward children when they agree or withhold love and affection when they challenge or disagree. It's a very passive aggressive way of forming their beliefs, especially while they are young.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I agree that there is nothing wrong with parents or grandparents sharing their beliefs with their children/grandchildren as long as it's an open dialogue, and not just a lecture. Do you encourage your children/grandchildren to question things and make up their own minds though? or did you intentionally try to influence them by giving or withholding love? Most parents/grandparents reward children when they agree or withhold love and affection when they challenge or disagree. It's a very passive aggressive way of forming their beliefs, especially while they are young.

To me Alex love is unconditional and should never be withheld from a child. It is because of this my husband and I have had two of our grandchildren living with us for the last 12years. It was difficult to begin with with the eldest as she had taken the brunt of it all but we have got there. They have their own minds and believe that they can teach me old rope They are very philisophical in their approach though and they believe in trying to be the adult when it comes to falling out with their friends. They do not always succeed but then one in particular takes herself to task.

I believe that whilst we can guide them there is something instilled in a lot of children. They question me and our conversations are interactive. They are their own masters.