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Originally Posted by Livia

The vast majority of men know that to rape a woman in any circumstances is wrong. But rape has been going on since humans have been populating the earth, and you're not going to stop it by saying that a woman shouldn't have to take responsibility for herself. It's not like I'm saying men should be given carte blanche to rape a woman, but I've seen young women both on TV and in reality, pissed, sitting on the kerb, skirt up round their waist, totally insensible to anything that's going on around her. What a state to get into... She wouldn't know whether she was giving her consent or not... until the next morning when she's in charge of her own mind again. In my opinion, if you're drunk beyond knowing what you're doing, then you are deliberately putting yourself at risk. That's not to say a man should be able to rape you... just that, if he says you gave consent, how do you know he's wrong? If a sober woman doesn't give consent... that's a whole different story.

We're talking about people who were actually raped though, just because a person is drunk doesn't necessarily mean they're going to forget everything that happened the night before.

In the specific case that Judy commented on yes the girl said she can't remember what happened but it sounds like she may have been drugged, and the court must have thought so too considering they jailed this footballer for 5 years after hearing the evidence