[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You see millions of Ghosts every time you look up at the night sky - stars which died billions of years ago. /snip

That is the problem with your post in general, we dont see ghosts we see physics in terms of distance and speed of light.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

That is the problem with your post in general, we dont see ghosts we see physics in terms of distance and speed of light.

Once again LT, you are riding your two favourite high horses: 'Pedantics' and 'Terminology'.

Light is an electromagnetic wave. Starlight, Infra Red light, Light in the visible spectrum, Ultra Violet light, X-Rays, Gamma Rays etc - it's all radiant energy. So, the Starlight which we see in the night sky which has radiated from a 'long-dead star' is technically a 'ghost', and all I am saying; is that, why isn't it possible that some - as yet undiscovered - form of 'radiant energy leaves the human body upon 'death' -- a form of radiant energy which certain people in certain circumstances are able to perceive?

Just as radio and television waves are still there when our radios and TV's are switched 'off', then perhaps these radiant energy waves which have left a deceased person could be still there - silent and invisible, just like radio, TV and other energy waves.

And just as all radios and TV's have the 'potential' to 'receive' these waves but need to be 'switched on' and precisely 'tuned' in order to do so, then perhaps all human brains have the potential to receive 'dead human radiant energy waves' but similarly need the brain to be in a state of precise 'tuning', and the environmental conditions outside of the brain to be in 'harmonious synch' in order to enable such reception. Perhaps when such conditions are 'perfect' then the subject can and will perceive that 'dead human radiant energy' which we have come to term; 'ghosts'.

Just to spoil your day LT and have you scurrying to research 'May–September 1988 Radio Carbon Dating Test' I wholeheartedly believe that this 'emission' of 'dead human radiant energy' - only a trillion times stronger in magnitude - was what occurred when the Christ 'rose from the dead' and caused the image on the burial cloth which we call 'The Shroud of Turin'.

But that's a whole other complex, and long and lengthy thread. (which will no doubt elicit purely intelligent, civil, discussion and relevant responses with no irrational overly-aggressive responses, no inane mocking comments which do not stick to topic and have no purpose other than to ridicule, and no irrelevant remarking. Well? I can dream can't I?)

Anyway, back to the subject matter - though digressing slightly;

Physics - your favourite subject:

If the universe is expanding (Big Bang et al) and as light 'diffracts' - spreads out as it travels - independently of this expansion, and if some of these 'dead stars' which are the source of this light are trillions of light years from our vantage point on Earth, then why do we still see the travelling light from these distant dead stars as starlight? Why hasn't it acted in accordance with the 'Laws of Physics' and spread out and dimmed as a massively wide glow of light? Why hasn't it changed colour even as it has 'cooled'?

I ask from a position of ignorance.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Once again LT, you are riding your two favourite high horses: 'Pedantics' and 'Terminology'.

Light is an electromagnetic wave. Starlight, Infra Red light, Light in the visible spectrum, Ultra Violet light, X-Rays, Gamma Rays etc - it's all radiant energy. So, the Starlight which we see in the night sky which has radiated from a 'long-dead star' is technically a 'ghost', and all I am saying; is that, why isn't it possible that some - as yet undiscovered - form of 'radiant energy leaves the human body upon 'death' -- a form of radiant energy which certain people in certain circumstances are able to perceive?

Just as radio and television waves are still there when our radios and TV's are switched 'off', then perhaps these radiant energy waves which have left a deceased person could be still there - silent and invisible, just like radio, TV and other energy waves.

And just as all radios and TV's have the 'potential' to 'receive' these waves but need to be 'switched on' and precisely 'tuned' in order to do so, then perhaps all human brains have the potential to receive 'dead human radiant energy waves' but similarly need the brain to be in a state of precise 'tuning', and the environmental conditions outside of the brain to be in 'harmonious synch' in order to enable such reception. Perhaps when such conditions are 'perfect' then the subject can and will perceive that 'dead human radiant energy' which we have come to term; 'ghosts'.

Just to spoil your day LT and have you scurrying to research 'May–September 1988 Radio Carbon Dating Test' I wholeheartedly believe that this 'emission' of 'dead human radiant energy' - only a trillion times stronger in magnitude - was what occurred when the Christ 'rose from the dead' and caused the image on the burial cloth which we call 'The Shroud of Turin'.

But that's a whole other complex, and long and lengthy thread. (which will no doubt elicit purely intelligent, civil, discussion and relevant responses with no irrational overly-aggressive responses, no inane mocking comments which do not stick to topic and have no purpose other than to ridicule, and no irrelevant remarking. Well? I can dream can't I?)

Anyway, back to the subject matter - though digressing slightly;

Physics - your favourite subject:

If the universe is expanding (Big Bang et al) and as light 'diffracts' - spreads out as it travels - independently of this expansion, and if some of these 'dead stars' which are the source of this light are trillions of light years from our vantage point on Earth, then why do we still see the travelling light from these distant dead stars as starlight? Why hasn't it acted in accordance with the 'Laws of Physics' and spread out and dimmed as a massively wide glow of light? Why hasn't it changed colour even as it has 'cooled'?

I ask from a position of ignorance.

Usual word salad that amounts to nothing more than an idea that you have formulated with no basis in fact.

Essentially my answer to all that text above is that if my aunty had balls she would be my uncle but she aint and she dont

As for your physics question, go look up the answer, I am not your pa.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Usual word salad that amounts to nothing more than an idea that you have formulated with no basis in fact.

Essentially my answer to all that text above is that if my aunty had balls she would be my uncle but she aint and she dont

As for your physics question, go look up the answer, I am not your pa.

Oh well - Angry is as angry does. Momma always said TIBB is like working on the bin rounds - ya never know what rubbish ya gonna get.

Bye for ever LT.

ps. I already know the (rather confusing) answer to the physics question, I thought you being so fond of quoting physics could perhaps enlighten me.

Oh, and as this is a Forum where intelligent ideas and valid viewpoints are meant to be exchanged, I'd much prefer a diet of 'word salads' which are relevant to the topic under discussion, than 'morsels' of irrational, unnecessary, uncalled for anger which are not.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Oh well - Angry is as angry does. Momma always said TIBB is like working on the bin rounds - ya never know what rubbish ya gonna get.

Bye for ever LT.

ps. I already know the (rather confusing) answer to the physics question, I thought you being so fond of quoting physics could perhaps enlighten me.

Oh, and as this is a Forum where intelligent ideas and valid viewpoints are meant to be exchanged, I'd much prefer a diet of 'word salads' which are relevant to the topic under discussion, than 'morsels' of irrational, unnecessary, uncalled for anger which are not.

Well said.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Once again LT, you are riding your two favourite high horses: 'Pedantics' and 'Terminology'.

Light is an electromagnetic wave. Starlight, Infra Red light, Light in the visible spectrum, Ultra Violet light, X-Rays, Gamma Rays etc - it's all radiant energy. So, the Starlight which we see in the night sky which has radiated from a 'long-dead star' is technically a 'ghost', and all I am saying; is that, why isn't it possible that some - as yet undiscovered - form of 'radiant energy leaves the human body upon 'death' -- a form of radiant energy which certain people in certain circumstances are able to perceive?

Just as radio and television waves are still there when our radios and TV's are switched 'off', then perhaps these radiant energy waves which have left a deceased person could be still there - silent and invisible, just like radio, TV and other energy waves.

And just as all radios and TV's have the 'potential' to 'receive' these waves but need to be 'switched on' and precisely 'tuned' in order to do so, then perhaps all human brains have the potential to receive 'dead human radiant energy waves' but similarly need the brain to be in a state of precise 'tuning', and the environmental conditions outside of the brain to be in 'harmonious synch' in order to enable such reception. Perhaps when such conditions are 'perfect' then the subject can and will perceive that 'dead human radiant energy' which we have come to term; 'ghosts'.

Just to spoil your day LT and have you scurrying to research 'May–September 1988 Radio Carbon Dating Test' I wholeheartedly believe that this 'emission' of 'dead human radiant energy' - only a trillion times stronger in magnitude - was what occurred when the Christ 'rose from the dead' and caused the image on the burial cloth which we call 'The Shroud of Turin'.

But that's a whole other complex, and long and lengthy thread. (which will no doubt elicit purely intelligent, civil, discussion and relevant responses with no irrational overly-aggressive responses, no inane mocking comments which do not stick to topic and have no purpose other than to ridicule, and no irrelevant remarking. Well? I can dream can't I?)

Anyway, back to the subject matter - though digressing slightly;

Physics - your favourite subject:

If the universe is expanding (Big Bang et al) and as light 'diffracts' - spreads out as it travels - independently of this expansion, and if some of these 'dead stars' which are the source of this light are trillions of light years from our vantage point on Earth, then why do we still see the travelling light from these distant dead stars as starlight? Why hasn't it acted in accordance with the 'Laws of Physics' and spread out and dimmed as a massively wide glow of light? Why hasn't it changed colour even as it has 'cooled'?

I ask from a position of ignorance.

Amazing post Kirk

I have posted a few times on here that I don't believe in 'ghosts' as such but I do definitely believe in residual energies that have been created by both humans, animals and so on and that will eventually fade out over time, I just can't imagine for example someone living until they were 90 years old, carrying out the same routine each and every day for a long time then when they pass on that energy just dies instantly?.

I truly think residual energy from people of the past is what most people are seeing/sensing when they feel as if a building is haunted, I also find it kinda sad in a way.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Josy

Amazing post Kirk

I have posted a few times on here that I don't believe in 'ghosts' as such but I do definitely believe in residual energies that have been created by both humans, animals and so on and that will eventually fade out over time, I just can't imagine for example someone living until they were 90 years old, carrying out the same routine each and every day for a long time then when they pass on that energy just dies instantly?.

I truly think residual energy from people of the past is what most people are seeing/sensing when they feel as if a building is haunted, I also find it kinda sad in a way.

Are you saying that these "energies" conform to the laws of physics and if so what are they made of?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Are you saying that these "energies" conform to the laws of physics and if so what are they made of?

I was posting my opinion in reply to Kirk, if you are interested you could go read up on the subject with an open mind.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Are you saying that these "energies" conform to the laws of physics and if so what are they made of?

Go explain to people who practice a religion that their beliefs have no basis in science, and good luck with that.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Go explain to people who practice a religion that their beliefs have no basis in science, and good luck with that.

They dont and that is why in every developing and educated country religion eventually dies out

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

They dont and that is why in every developing and educated country religion eventually dies out

In what country has that happened in on which to base your hypothesis?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Josy

Amazing post Kirk

I have posted a few times on here that I don't believe in 'ghosts' as such but I do definitely believe in residual energies that have been created by both humans, animals and so on and that will eventually fade out over time, I just can't imagine for example someone living until they were 90 years old, carrying out the same routine each and every day for a long time then when they pass on that energy just dies instantly?.

I truly think residual energy from people of the past is what most people are seeing/sensing when they feel as if a building is haunted, I also find it kinda sad in a way.

I agree with this too, we have a conscience self and a subconscience self.. at what point does our subconcience/spirt/essence/energy realise our heart has stopped beating?
It's something to ponder if you can open your mind wide enough isn't it?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy;73http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/editor/separator.gif58192

I agree with this too, we have a conscience self and a subconscience self.. at what point does our subconcience/spirt/essence/energy realise our heart has stopped beating?
It's something to ponder if you can open your mind wide enough isn't it?

Well said Kizzy.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Josy

Amazing post Kirk

I have posted a few times on here that I don't believe in 'ghosts' as such but I do definitely believe in residual energies that have been created by both humans, animals and so on and that will eventually fade out over time, I just can't imagine for example someone living until they were 90 years old, carrying out the same routine each and every day for a long time then when they pass on that energy just dies instantly?.

I truly think residual energy from people of the past is what most people are seeing/sensing when they feel as if a building is haunted, I also find it kinda sad in a way.

Thanks Josy. Residual energy is a brilliant term for what I was trying to say.