[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kyle

I'm only young so maybe someone older can enlighten me but before video games what were people blaming for psychopathic murderers?

Horror movies?

Books, Films, TV Shows.

It's not a successful form of media/entertainment unless it's been blamed for murders. It just takes away focus from the real issues, identifying individuals that are at risk and preventing them from triggering.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kyle

I'm only young so maybe someone older can enlighten me but before video games what were people blaming for psychopathic murderers?

Horror movies?

I remember Chucky being blamed for something at one point

[Vicky.]

I have just bought gavs son gta5 for xmas. Best sleep with one eye open from now on because that game is certain to turn him into a cold blooded psycho killer

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I have just bought gavs son gta5 for xmas. Best sleep with one eye open from now on because that game is certain to turn him into a cold blooded psycho killer

I'd keep him away from your teddies too.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

This is terrible. I have no idea what pushes someone to kill. Getting bullied would probably push someone over the edge. Maybe he was having problems at school?

No he was Very Clever
that teacher crossed him


He Planned it and did the Evil stabbing in her Back first
so she could not stop him

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I remember Chucky being blamed for something at one point

I love the Chucky Movies
so much work went into them

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by arista

I love the Chucky Movies
so much work went into them

They were great at the time, I think they might just look funny now though, I should have a re watch sometime

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Nah, I think it's dumb and wrong to blame games for this kind of thing, you're absolving the killer of blame and that's wrong. A game did not make this kid murder his teacher, this kid chose to do so of his own accord. At best games can be a trigger and like I said before anything can be a trigger so blaming triggers for someone's actions is completely pointless.

As for your point about the eight year old, the issue with that story is not that he played GTA but that he had easy access to a gun. Again the GTA angle is just a way for the media to sensationalise the story and you are lapping it up. All the killers you listed were just using games as an excuse, and like with that GTA story you are eating it up.

These killers would have killed with or without games being in the equation. There's always been murderers, it's not something new that came about with the release of the first GTA game. Blaming games and any form of media just gives these killers an excuse. 'Oh it's not his fault, it's GTA's/Catcher in the Rye's/Manhunt's/Dexter's/The Dark Knight's fault for influencing him'.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I have just bought gavs son gta5 for xmas. Best sleep with one eye open from now on because that game is certain to turn him into a cold blooded psycho killer

My 3 year old has watched me play that game loads,He's not gone out and robbed any cars or beaten up any cops so far

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

My 3 year old has watched me play that game loads,He's not gone out and robbed any cars or beaten up any cops so far

Don't be stupid....




















...he's too young to handle an M4. Give him a few years yet

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

My 3 year old has watched me play that game loads,He's not gone out and robbed any cars or beaten up any cops so far

Aged 3

Very impressionable age, it's the age where you should be teaching, morals, which GTA has none of......good luck with him when he's a teen, i only hope you remember your post when the **** hits the fan.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

Aged 3

Very impressionable age, it's the age where you should be teaching, morals, which GTA has none of......good luck with him when he's a teen, i only hope you remember your post when the **** hits the fan.

Got to love people who look down on people for their parenting skills.

You have just tainted your argument in here completely, you are now saying that the proverbial will hit the fan, because a child sees someone playing a game.. that goes against everything you have said in here so far and the fact that you're questioning someone's parenting.. well, that's just uncalled for.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I remember Chucky being blamed for something at one point

It was the bulger case, and I am a believer in desensitisation I know many aren't.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It was the bulger case, and I am a believer in desensitisation I know many aren't.

Oh was it? :/

I'm not sure where I stand on this one tbh

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Got to love people who look down on people for their parenting skills.

You have just tainted your argument in here completely, you are now saying that the proverbial will hit the fan, because a child sees someone playing a game.. that goes against everything you have said in here so far and the fact that you're questioning someone's parenting.. well, that's just uncalled for.

Nobody knows the future, it's morally wrong to let a child view images of violence like that in GTA, when as parents we should be preserving their childhood and the innocence that goes with childhood, i've had a bad childhood and would never look down on a parents skills, but you are setting yourself up for a nightmare by not putting in boundaries, children need good positive role models.

FYI i'm getting so tired of arguing with know it all teenagers, and their vast life experiences, bore off.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It was the bulger case, and I am a believer in desensitisation I know many aren't.

Murder is as old as humanity, incidents like this have always happened and they'll continue to happen through no fault of games or the media.

Desensitisation only serves to create scapegoats for killers. You could ban every potential trigger for killers in the world and they'll still eventually kill. People like the boy in this story are ticking timebombs, instead of blaming irrelevant things like games we should focus on prevention and raising awareness of the signs of a potential killer as no psychopath ever just snaps, there are always signs people just need to be more aware of them and take them seriously.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

Nobody knows the future, it's morally wrong to let a child view images of violence like that in GTA, when as parents we should be preserving their childhood and the innocence that goes with childhood, i've had a bad childhood and would never look down on a parents skills, but you are setting yourself up for a nightmare by not putting in boundaries, children need good positive role models.

FYI i'm getting so tired of arguing with know it all teenagers, and their vast life experiences, bore off.

That sentence right there, is looking down on other peoples parenting skills though..

And quite frankly, i don't care what you're tired of, this is a forum for the members to discuss stories and their opinions, if you don't like being disagreed with by 'know it all teenagers' then don't put your opinions out there for them to be disagreed with.

You know nothing about me, or my childhood, so your attitude towards young people that, that sentence shows, is frankly insulting, if a younger person said something like that about the older members here, there'd be outrage and complains flying everywhere.

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

That sentence right there, is looking down on other peoples parenting skills though..

And quite frankly, i don't care what you're tired of, this is a forum for the members to discuss stories and their opinions, if you don't like being disagreed with by 'know it all teenagers' then don't pt your opinions out there for them to be disagreed with.

You know nothing about me, or my childhood, so your attitude towards young people that, that sentence shows, is frankly insulting.

Yes it's for members to discuss, you are condescending and patronizing in your responses to my posts, i don't mind being disagreed with, but you repeatedly try to shoot me down, that's not a discussion, i'm just stating common sense.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

Nobody knows the future, it's morally wrong to let a child view images of violence like that in GTA, when as parents we should be preserving their childhood and the innocence that goes with childhood, i've had a bad childhood and would never look down on a parents skills, but you are setting yourself up for a nightmare by not putting in boundaries, children need good positive role models.

FYI i'm getting so tired of arguing with know it all teenagers, and their vast life experiences, bore off.

You've just completely lost any hope of winning this debate with that response alone.

Kids playing violent games isn't an issue, everyone I knew growing up played Mortal Kombat, Duke Nukem, GTA and all sorts and it hasn't affected me or (as far as I know) anyone else I know because we all knew it was fiction and wasn't reflective on real life and that's the same for millions of people like me who were allowed to play violent games and such when they were kids. There's something fundamentally wrong with the psychopaths that commit these crimes and whether or not they played Call of Duty has nothing to do with it because they'd still have that psychological damage even if they never touhed a games console.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

Yes it's for members to discuss, you are condescending and patronizing in your responses to my posts, i don't mind being disagreed with, but you repeatedly try to shoot me down, that's not a discussion, i'm just stating common sense.

'FYI i'm getting so tired of arguing with know it all teenagers, and their vast life experiences, bore off.'

Hmm.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

FYI i'm getting so tired of arguing with know it all teenagers, and their vast life experiences, bore off.

Never had you pegged as someone that would say something like that.

[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Murder is as old as humanity, incidents like this have always happened and they'll continue to happen through no fault of games or the media.

Desensitisation only serves to create scapegoats for killers. You could ban every potential trigger for killers in the world and they'll still eventually kill. People like the boy in this story are ticking timebombs, instead of blaming irrelevant things like games we should focus on prevention and raising awareness of the signs of a potential killer as no psychopath ever just snaps, there are always signs people just need to be more aware of them and take them seriously.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I remember Chucky being blamed for something at one point

Chucky was said to be a factor in the James Bulger murder Niamh,the blue paint ,batteries and railway tracks.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

Yes it's for members to discuss, you are condescending and patronizing in your responses to my posts, i don't mind being disagreed with, but you repeatedly try to shoot me down, that's not a discussion, i'm just stating common sense.

When did i once pantronise you? If i wanted to patronise you i would have.

Your views on things are different from others, you're clearly one of those people who wants kids to be wrapped up in cotton wool and shield them from anything that could possibly be offensive.. a 3 year old watching someone play a game, is not going to turn them into a bad kid or a bad teenager, so you telling people what they 'should' be teaching their kids, is a blatant show of looking down at someone else's parenting.

So what if a child sees someone playing a video game made for over 18's? who cares, by the time they're 13, they'd have probably seen much worse on the Tv anyway.

Kids Tv is hardly rainbows and glitter anyway, look at Tom and Jerry or Scooby-doo.. one is violent and the other is potentially scary, should we ban all kids from watching those too?

[Ramsay]

I bet Ted Bundy was level 8 prestige