[Drew.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

this.

I think there are a few managers who could match Wengers achievements in the last few years ie win no trophy but finish 4th,. I dont think we would suffer a slump like Man Utd cuz I dont think the expectations have been as high as Man U's recently. It is hilarious to see their fans all wide eyed about stunned at their past two seasons but they were the Champs when SAF retired we haven't been champs for over a decade and I doubt Wenger has what it take to win another championship for us.

He needs to make a decision soon as I feel even he thinks he wont win another championship at Arsenal. Now I'm not saying this as some arrogant Arsenal fan who thinks we have the right to win the league but the club is so well run and so well off that everything is in place for Arsenal to be one of the top five clubs in Europe never mind the Premiership. I just dont think Wenger can take us to that position.

I'm almost certain a decline like Uniteds wont happen when Arsene does decide to leave. Unlike Arsenal Fergie had United playing at their peak, I don't think any other manager could have won the league in Fergies final year with the squad he had. We are currently playing averagely and aren't expected to challenge for anything. For all we know Arsene is holding us back and another manager could do so much better than he is. It's going to be a risk for the new manager whenever it does happen but i'm excited about it.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Drew.

I'm almost certain a decline like Uniteds wont happen when Arsene does decide to leave. Unlike Arsenal Fergie had United playing at their peak, I don't think any other manager could have won the league in Fergies final year with the squad he had. We are currently playing averagely and aren't expected to challenge for anything. Fall we know Arsene is holding us back and another manager could do so much better than he is. It's going to be a risk for the new manager whenever it does happen but i'm excited about it.

Totally agree. Its now apparent that only SAf could get that squad playing well but our squad is definitely under performing.

[Ryan57]

I stick by what I said sometime ago. I feel he should of gone years ago. He has been lagging behind the best for years now. Fergie moved with the times, he took on the challenge of Jose. Wenger just got further and further behind.

Every year all Arsenal ever seem to do in the Champions League is make up the numbers. You can predict every season how far they'll go.

Another point is if you look at what Arsenal fans felt were wrong with the team three years ago. Whether it be on forums or on old talk shows on radio, those same calls and forum posts are still relevant today. Which is down right ridiculous.

In pretty much all the big games he comes up short tactically. If I was an Arsenal fan and there was a Champions League semi final second leg away from home and you need a resulst... I wouldn't have any faith. Whereas a Jose, a Pep or a Ancelotti you'd have faith that they could go away from home and get you that result.

We've seen Jose go to the Nou Camp, when Barcelona were at their best, wrongfully be reduced to ten men and manage to get through. Wenger would never achieve that.

Nine years without a trophy was totally unacceptable. Money isn't needed to win trophies such as FA Cups and League Cups. It's not like in that time the Arsenal team has been crap. At one stage the team had Fabregas, Nasri and RVP.

I really have no idea why any Arsenal fans still accept it, but they do. Maybe it's because they're young, but they seem to make out as though without Wenger they'd be nothing. As though he arrived in England and inherited a team in the bottom half of the table, a la Klopp and Dortmund.

There's no mistaking he's had some fantastic times at Arsenal. The Invincibles, for me, is still the best title success in Premier League history. Even despite the whole 'they played for draws towards the end' that's thrown at that team, it went unbeaten in a whole season... which is fantastic.
Thierry Henry being just another winger and then converted to a world class striker. One of the best players the Premier League will ever see.
Arsenal's style of play as well.

Basically, despite my Piers Morgan like rant, despite the fact I'm not even an Arsenal fan, his time has long been up for me. A team of Arsenal's stature should be doing better.

Imagine if the likes of Pep Guardiola had come in say two years ago. Imagine where Arsenal would of been now.

Edit: I should add, when I refer to Arsenal fans I'm not on about the ones here. I'm referring to the Twitter type that often defend everything.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Ryan57

I stick by what I said sometime ago. I feel he should of gone years ago. He has been lagging behind the best for years now. Fergie moved with the times, he took on the challenge of Jose. Wenger just got further and further behind.

Every year all Arsenal ever seem to do in the Champions League is make up the numbers. You can predict every season how far they'll go.

Another point is if you look at what Arsenal fans felt were wrong with the team three years ago. Whether it be on forums or on old talk shows on radio, those same calls and forum posts are still relevant today. Which is down right ridiculous.

In pretty much all the big games he comes up short tactically. If I was an Arsenal fan and there was a Champions League semi final second leg away from home and you need a resulst... I wouldn't have any faith. Whereas a Jose, a Pep or a Ancelotti you'd have faith that they could go away from home and get you that result.

We've seen Jose go to the Nou Camp, when Barcelona were at their best, wrongfully be reduced to ten men and manage to get through. Wenger would never achieve that.

Nine years without a trophy was totally unacceptable. Money isn't needed to win trophies such as FA Cups and League Cups. It's not like in that time the Arsenal team has been crap. At one stage the team had Fabregas, Nasri and RVP.

I really have no idea why any Arsenal fans still accept it, but they do. Maybe it's because they're young, but they seem to make out as though without Wenger they'd be nothing. As though he arrived in England and inherited a team in the bottom half of the table, a la Klopp and Dortmund.

There's no mistaking he's had some fantastic times at Arsenal. The Invincibles, for me, is still the best title success in Premier League history. Even despite the whole 'they played for draws towards the end' that's thrown at that team, it went unbeaten in a whole season... which is fantastic.
Thierry Henry being just another winger and then converted to a world class striker. One of the best players the Premier League will ever see.
Arsenal's style of play as well.

Basically, despite my Piers Morgan like rant, despite the fact I'm not even an Arsenal fan, his time has long been up for me. A team of Arsenal's stature should be doing better.

Imagine if the likes of Pep Guardiola had come in say two years ago. Imagine where Arsenal would of been now.

Edit: I should add, when I refer to Arsenal fans I'm not on about the ones here. I'm referring to the Twitter type that often defend everything.

Great post.