[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by TerryTagnut

What's laughable about a potato? Or a pepper. They both have nicotine in them. That was just an example that nicotine is found in innocuous sources. An example that nicotine is fairly common and not just found in a rolled up piece of paper full of tar. I'm not sure why the inclusion of this example is so difficult for you to grasp? Why was my reference to milk so hard for you to understand? Don't you realise that supermarket milk is full of growth hormones? Sorry, I overestimated you, I thought you'd be able to join the dots together, to comprehend the implicit.

This is becoming a fruitless discussion to be honest. It's getting ridiculous. I supply you with peer-review research from leading medical scientist and you call that pseudo-science, but at the same time, you give me a link from a laughing-stock who's not even a qualified medical practitioner!

You're suffering from a bad bout of confirmation bias because instead of perhaps looking at those peer-reviewed studies I supplied you with, you'd rather attack science with ignorance in the form of Stanton Glantz. The man's a laughing stock, period. It's quite embarrassing even referring to him.

Nope about the diacetyl. I make my own liquid. I have my own pharma grade PG/VG/Nic and get my custard from a company called Flavourart, who don't use diacetyl in their custards.

Addiction. Please don't moralise to me about addiction. You refused to answer if you consumed caffeine, or alcohol. We all have our poisons. God, even TV can be said to be a form of addiction. Unless you can come back to me and say you do regular exercise, don't indulge in alcohol, don't drink caffeine, don't indulge in the odd 'recreational' drug etc etc, then you can keep your lecturing to yourself. Otherwise, it just makes you look like a high-horsed, moralising hypocrite.

Right I'm done I guess. My last post. I enjoy engaging in conversation, but one addiction I don't suffer from is banging my head unremittingly against a brick wall. I think I might need an E-wall

It's not difficult for me to grasp it's just pointless... as pointless as saying when you use mouthwash you should join AA as it contains alcohol.
Whatever issues you have with the dairy industry are not relevant to this thread either so shall we stick to the issue here?
I think the consensus is there is a question mark over the industry with it being so new and much of the information comes from sources with some kind of organisational bias so it's hard to find reputable independent study.

However you make your frankenfags is of no interest to me, again if you want to feed your addiction that's your business.
This is a discussion forum I don't have to have first hand experience of anything to have an opinion thank you but as it happens I do have experience of addiction as I am an ex smoker.. I hope that qualifies me in your mind to have a view on this subject.,I'm not a bleeding heart, a mail reader, fun thief or hypocrite.

[TerryTagnut]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's not difficult for me to grasp it's just pointless... as pointless as saying when you use mouthwash you should join AA as it contains alcohol.
Whatever issues you have with the dairy industry are not relevant to this thread either so shall we stick to the issue here?
I think the consensus is there is a question mark over the industry with it being so new and much of the information comes from sources with some kind of organisational bias so it's hard to find reputable independent study.

However you make your frankenfags is of no interest to me, again if you want to feed your addiction that's your business.
This is a discussion forum I don't have to have first hand experience of anything to have an opinion thank you but as it happens I do have experience of addiction as I am an ex smoker.. I hope that qualifies me in your mind to have a view on this subject.,I'm not a bleeding heart, a mail reader, fun thief or hypocrite.

Wow, do you realise that you have an uncanny knack of contradicting yourself? Also, is there more than one of you there? You keep using the phrase "shall we". Strange.

Anyhoo, it seems you missed the whole point to the dairy reference. It went so far over your head that you could bounce radio signals off it.

But, and you've been a bit naughty here, if you'd come out and straight away said you were one of those types of ex-smokers, I wouldn't have bothered in trying to engage in a rational discussion. The Allen Carr brigade and the Daily Fail are not the sort of things I usually waste my time with tbh.

I don't know if you're aware, but your whole tone is very passive aggressive. On the one hand you state it's non of your business and you couldn't care less, and then straight away decide it's reasonable to attach a derogatory label to it (frankenfags). So one minute you're saying you know nothing about the subject, and then the next attaching a nasty label to something you've just said you know nothing about. Is this a demonstration of childishness or just plain stupidity? I'm really not trying to be rude here, but I can only see these two options as possible answers.

Here's another person who initially had the same type of opinion as you, but he decided that facts are fairly useful when forming an opinion. Also, he's a doctor. Oh, don't tell me, more bias!

Right, I think you're done. I could have gone on to say it's been fun.... but it hasn't

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[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by TerryTagnut

Wow, do you realise that you have an uncanny knack of contradicting yourself? Also, is there more than one of you there? You keep using the phrase "shall we". Strange.

Anyhoo, it seems you missed the whole point to the dairy reference. It went so far over your head that you could bounce radio signals off it.

But, and you've been a bit naughty here, if you'd come out and straight away said you were one of those types of ex-smokers, I wouldn't have bothered in trying to engage in a rational discussion. The Allen Carr brigade and the Daily Fail are not the sort of things I usually waste my time with tbh.

I don't know if you're aware, but your whole tone is very passive aggressive. On the one hand you state it's non of your business and you couldn't care less, and then straight away decide it's reasonable to attach a derogatory label to it (frankenfags). So one minute you're saying you know nothing about the subject, and then the next attaching a nasty label to something you've just said you know nothing about. Is this a demonstration of childishness or just plain stupidity? I'm really not trying to be rude here, but I can only see these two options as possible answers.

Here's another person who initially had the same type of opinion as you, but he decided that facts are fairly useful when forming an opinion. Also, he's a doctor. Oh, don't tell me, more bias!

Right, I think you're done. I could have gone on to say it's been fun.... but it hasn't

Youtube video

Explain where I contradict myself.
As I said the dairy example was irrelevant so it didn't go over my head at all,it just has nothing to do with this discussion. Whatever conspiracy theory you have about the food industry which if you remember are the ones who say vape oil is safe... The FDA wasn't it you quoted?
Are they so wrong on milk standards and yet so right with everything else?

Why am I 'that' sort of ex smoker? First you intimate I cant have an opinion because I don't have experience of an addictive substance and now I can't because I have, you're not being very fair here terry.
You don't like derogatory terms? I though that was quite witty actually I'm upset now. You were quite derogatory to me too at time and your tone could be described as passive aggressive when you suggested I was joyless and a high horsed moralising hypocrite then

I didn't say I knew nothing about it to be fair I have done some research and so far I don't find them to be the holy grail as you appear to sorry.
These links also seem to corroborate my concerns https://www.ersnetsecure.org/public/...entation=59718
https://www.ersnetsecure.org/public/...entation=59718