[JoshBB]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-30113313

Signs read - "Free Education, Tax The Rich", "Books not Bombs", and "Education not War".


Good on those who exercise their right of freedom of speech in order to get the right of education. Those who decided to be violent, you are counter-productive and make the peaceful crowd look like chavs. Bugger off!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Surprised that demonstration clashed with Countdown and Pointless, I guess most students recorded it using an app on their iphones or ipads?

[joeysteele]

Oh am I glad tuition fees are being brought to the front of things again.
While I abhor any violent acts,the people who should be paying for the anger as to tuition fees are the lying,disgraceful bunch of traitors that are the Liberal Democrats, for all their misleading and false signed pledges and promises in 2010 to gain trust and votes from the electorate.

I haven't forgotten what they did with their betrayal of that trust and I am pleased to see it is not an issue that has gone away at all.

[Vicky.]

Honestly,. I dont get the big fuss over tuition fees. As I understand it you dont even pay anything back until you earn like 30k a year, and even then its pennies per week you pay...is that right?

I udnerstand people being pissed at the libdems though as they completely u-turned and I know LOADS of stuudents who voted for them and hate their guts now

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Honestly,. I dont get the big fuss over tuition fees. As I understand it you dont even pay anything back until you earn like 30k a year, and even then its pennies per week you pay...is that right?

I udnerstand people being pissed at the libdems though as they completely u-turned and I know LOADS of stuudents who voted for them and hate their guts now

The reason students don't like them is because when you finish UNI once you get a job where the threshold of paying back the loans is reached, you have up to £27,000 at least of debt around your neck before you even start to live your life or even then go for a mortgage.
It is still a now, even moreso, a substantial debt you are left with for just learning.
A figure that will still be taken into account for other mortgage/credit applications too.

I was very fortunate, my Parents saw me through UNI, many others are no way that lucky.

It makes a massive difference when the figure was around only a third of that before 2010.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The reason students don't like them is because when you finish UNI once you get a job where the threshold of paying back the loans is reached, you have up to £27,000 at least of debt around your neck before you even start to live your life or even then go for a mortgage.
It is still a now, even moreso, a substantial debt you are left with for just learning.
A figure that will still be taken into account for other mortgage/credit applications too.

I was very fortunate, my Parents saw me through UNI, many others are no way that lucky.

It makes a massive difference when the figure was around only a third of that before 2010.

Ah i didnt know it was taken into account for martgages and that

BIB...my parents are doing that for my brother. My dad paid the mortgage off early last year so that if my brother decides to go to uni, theycan remortgage the house to pay it outright

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ah i didnt know it was taken into account for martgages and that

BIB...my parents are doing that for my brother. My dad paid the mortgage off early last year so that if my brother decides to go to uni, theycan remortgage the house to pay it outright

That is great and he will find that a massive help and relief to him too Vicky.
To walk out of education and UNi with no real debts around your neck is a great thing.

The point is when this govt. raised the threshold too as to when the loans would have to be paid back, they didn't treble that like they did the tuition fees.
For someone just on the threshold, it will still be a burden around their necks and education shouldn't have to be that.

Really pleased for your Brother Vicky,however I myself think it is wrong Parents should even feel the need to do it,especially at the new trebled rate it is at now.

[MTVN]

Sigh, student politics

[Crimson Dynamo]

Scotland has no uni debt

because we are not mental

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Honestly,. I dont get the big fuss over tuition fees. As I understand it you dont even pay anything back until you earn like 30k a year, and even then its pennies per week you pay...is that right?

I udnerstand people being pissed at the libdems though as they completely u-turned and I know LOADS of stuudents who voted for them and hate their guts now

It's nowhere near that low unfortunately. Many students are walking into life with debts amounting to as much as £50k. Nobody is profiting from that if it is so high that they will never able to repay it.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Scotland has no uni debt

because we are not mental

I actually agree on this. It's dumb to have to pay for an education. Talk about unfair disadvantages to the poor

[Livia]

Just a little reminder that it was Labour who introduced tuition fees, the Tories raised them... but they were introduced by Labour. And ALL of that lot got their education for free. Disgusting.

I have no time for people who drag down peaceful protest and make the news story all about their violent and/or disruptive behaviour. It detracts from the point of the protest.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Scotland has no uni debt

because

Because they're uneducated drunks.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Livia

the Tories raised them

You need to focus on that.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Scotland has no uni debt

because we are not mental

Some of you are LT... some of you are.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

You need to focus on that.

This is a discussion Josh, on a grown up subject. If you can't discuss it without being rude, don't talk to me.

[arista]

Fella no need for a Stick

[arista]

No fella you can not make love to him - He is Working.


Right You are All Nicked



Now what has this Coffee place done to you?




Well Done luv

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

Just a little reminder that it was Labour who introduced tuition fees, the Tories raised them... but they were introduced by Labour. And ALL of that lot got their education for free. Disgusting.

I have no time for people who drag down peaceful protest and make the news story all about their violent and/or disruptive behaviour. It detracts from the point of the protest.

Well said, I was about to post the same point.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Because they're uneducated drunks.

Rab. C. Nesbitt rides again.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by arista

No fella you can not make love to him - He is Working.


Right You are All Nicked



Now what has this Coffee place done to you?




Well Done luv

is this from today?

if so, this looks very peaceful...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by arista

No fella you can not make love to him - He is Working.

Right You are All Nicked

Now what has this Coffee place done to you?

Well Done luv

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

Some of you are LT... some of you are.

Hadrian's Wall?

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Livia

This is a discussion Josh, on a grown up subject. If you can't discuss it without being rude, don't talk to me.

I wasn't rude there at all. I think telling someone to not talk to you is worse tbh. It's a grown up subject and you received a grown up response.

[joeysteele]

Labour did indeed introduce tuition fees and in 2010 they were around £3,000 a year with no expected paying back until earnings of £15,000 a year were realised.
In 2010 election,which is the main point, Labour were not going to raise tuition fees any further.
I would have been against the introduction of them but what happened after 2010 was far worse and unacceptable.
No way can Labour be blamed at all for the eventual trebling of the fees,no way at all.

We got a coalition govt. after 2010, which should have been about compromise,one party advocating doubling the fees, the other wanting to abolish them altogether.
I will never understand how from those 2 policies we ended up seeing the fees 'trebled' in fact.
That followed too, the Lib Dems promising with a signed pledge in public,never to support the increasing of tuition fees.
So no wonder students and their families are still really irate as to this issue.

Nothing at all to do with Labour,who had by then already lost students votes in 2 elections, so for me,likewise, so should these 2 parties in govt. now who have in my view abused their power on this issue.

The other side of the coin is, the threshold for paying the loans back was at £15,000 in 2010 under Labour for the £3,000+ a year tuition fees.
Now with a maximum of up to £9,000 a year as to tuition fees, the threshold was increased to just over £21,000 for the then payback to take place.

Which means that in 2010, a student with max tuition fees, left UNI with a total debt of tuition fees to a max of £9,000,not having to make any repayments until earning £15,000 a year.

Now with the threshold only raised to around £21,000,students are leaving Uni with a possible max of over a whole years salary of debt around their necks of up to £27,000.
From Labour in 2010 to this shower in govt now as to tuition fees,I can easily say which looked the better and the fairer too.

None of it after 2010 to do with Labour whatsoever and if the Conservative party thought tuition fees the wrong thing to do when Labour introduced them, they could have adopted the Lib Dem policy of getting rid of them after the 2010 election.
No, however, one of their first acts was that they couldn't resist the opportunity to raise them and heavily too, by trebling them.