[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh I just read about that, awful, poor kid. Here's the link to that story :


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30172433

In this case he was Told what to do
he did not.


When police say drop it
you do it fast in America


Its a tragic case
but the Police were doing their job

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by arista

In this case he was Told what to do
he did not.


When police say drop it
you do it fast in America


Its a tragic case
but the Police were doing their job

Yeah but he was a 12 year old child, why did they not Taser him or if they had to shoot, why not the leg or something, why shoot to kill?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah but he was a 12 year old child, why did they not Taser him or if they had to shoot, why not the leg or something, why shoot to kill?

because they thought he had a gun and was waving it around. i can't think of many things more dangerous than a 12 y/o with a gun.

Have you ever tried to reason with a 12 y/o?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah but he was a 12 year old child, why did they not Taser him or if they had to shoot, why not the leg or something, why shoot to kill?

on the street of the USA you cant risk it. The gun looks real to me and the kid looks older than 12

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

on the street of the USA you cant risk it. The gun looks real to me and the kid looks older than 12

He doesn't look that old and the person who reported it mentioned atleast twice to the operator that the gun was probably fake and that the boy was most likely a juvenile

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

He doesn't look that old and the person who reported it mentioned atleast twice to the operator that the gun was probably fake and that the boy was most likely a juvenile

yes but if you are a cop in the line of duty "probably a fake" can get you killed and your wife a widow..

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes but if you are a cop in the line of duty "probably a fake" can get you killed and your wife a widow..

Not to mention how often we hear about kids finding their parents guns. We are constantly being told by the liberal media how often kids take their parents guns, so it's not a stretch to believe a 12 y/o might have a real gun.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Not to mention how often we hear about kids finding their parents guns. We are constantly being told by the liberal media how often kids take their parents guns, so it's not a stretch to believe a 12 y/o might have a real gun.

The "liberal media"? Oh, gawd.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes but if you are a cop in the line of duty "probably a fake" can get you killed and your wife a widow..

That comes with the job though, they should be trained to react more cautiously especially when they're armed and dealing with a juvenile

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That comes with the job though, they should be trained to react more cautiously especially when they're armed and dealing with a juvenile

Its hard to judge the tensions in that area, what the cop had experienced that week, what he saw etc. But as arista says - when a cop says down, you go down and you dont play with replica guns in the street no matter what age you are

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah but he was a 12 year old child, why did they not Taser him or if they had to shoot, why not the leg or something, why shoot to kill?

I do not know about the Taser lack of use.



Yes we find out after
he was a 12 year old playing with a toy.


In America
ok in you home
but to let a child run around
was not good.


Tragic and sad loss

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah but he was a 12 year old child, why did they not Taser him or if they had to shoot, why not the leg or something, why shoot to kill?

This exactly. Tasering wouldn't have killed and if shooting was necessary, to the leg would have been better.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

This exactly. Tasering wouldn't have killed and if shooting was necessary, to the leg would have been better.

because if you believe the kid has a gun it only takes a split second to kill someone.

Why did the kid have a very realistic gun, and why was he threatening other people with it and why were people calling 911 begging cops to come figure it out?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by arista

In this case he was Told what to do
he did not.


When police say drop it
you do it fast in America


Its a tragic case
but the Police were doing their job

Come on Arista FFS. The police's job is not to execute, obviously juvenile kids -- realistic toy gun or not -- when there are other options.

I have seen enough real-life documentaries on US cops to know that in similar situations involving grown men armed with real guns, one cop at least, has his weapon drawn, while the other has his taser at the ready.

It takes no longer to fire a taser than it does a firearm, and when the 'suspect' is quite evidently a child, immobilising should always take precedence over shooting to kill.

The guy who made the 911 emergency call reporting the incident maintains that he said "on two occasions" that the gun was "probably fake" and that the person holding it "was probably a juvenile".

Yet, the police seek to mitigate these trigger-happy pair of rogues by explaining that "the two officers at the scene were not told about the caller's comments."

So fecking what? Whose fault is this monumental, inexcusable, breakdown in police procedure and strategy? Vital information concerning a possible armed suspect is not relayed to the officers in the front line and this is tendered as an excuse?

You can 'bet ya by golly wow', that if the 911 caller had reported that the 'suspect' had been a 20 stone 'gang-banger' wielding a genuine gun, that such vital information would definitely have found its way 'post haste' to any attending officers.

The fact that the police authorities claim that such information was not relayed in the case of a 12 year old with a toy gun, does not ring true to me, and I believe that it was indeed relayed, but ignored by a trigger happy thug who had his own agenda. I believe such a claim by the authorities is an 'after the fact' bit of 'damage limitation' in an attempt to 'close ranks' and protect two of their own.

I also believe that racism is the real cause behind this unacceptable killing, but not institutional racism endemic in the police itself, but rather the deep seated personal racism of at least one of the attending officers.

Any authority attracts maggots who have their own agenda. Sexual deviants, bitter, twisted hate-filled men who were bullied at school, racists, sociopaths, and even psychopaths, all seek roles within the police force, prison service or childrens' homes because those positions empower them, and affords them the opportunities to realise their secret agendas.

The trouble is, that 50 years ago, standards of entry to such authorities and institutions were so rigorous, employment applications by these maggots were - for the most part - rejected out of hand.

Unfortunately, as society degenerates with each passing year, standards fall accordingly, and institutions and authorities have now more than their share of these maggots.

Think about it; policemen and prison officers are not recruited from Mars - they are recruited from the same fecked up degenerate society we all live in. As, indeed are those people who hold the power positions in the organisations which recruit these officers.

Even the 'good guys' in today's police have not the same moral compass as their counterparts of 50 to 60 years ago, because society has not. What was deemed unacceptable behaviour then by individual 'bobbies' and the force in general, does not raise an eyebrow in todays force, or in its individual officers - because it is now acceptable by society's (degenerate) standards.

There are rogues and racists in the police forces of any country, and as long as the authorities place protecting their own before 'protecting and serving' the public interest, then they are as culpable as the maggots they are covering up for.

Finally, the people living in the communities affected by these 'incidents' are not stupid - they 'know' the 'status quo' regarding racism in the police force which serves them, and they should be listened to.

The cost of continually disregarding them and dismissing their testimony is a price which will eventually bankrupt all of us - on both sides of the pond.