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Originally Posted by The Geordie Jesus

This is nothing to do with ISIS, this is about the actions of the CIA 2002-2007 under a programme that Obama halted in 2009 because he realised it was not productive, it did not help with anything, and it completely flew in the face of everything that the US believes in and claims to uphold. This report shows that he was more right to do so than he probably realised at the time.

You are creating a false equivalence here between critics of CIA interrogation (let's call what it is though really - torture) and Isalmist-enablers. It's completely false. There is a way to combat extremism without resorting to torture. Many would say that there are much more effective ways and that torture actually doesn't help at all. Choose to disbelieve 500 pages of intensely researched evidence if you will, but if the report says CIA interrogation "failed to secure information that foiled any threats" then I'm not gonna blindly justify those methods.

Call me 'bleeding heart' and 'wishy washy' if you like but for all the warmongering rhetoric in the world this arbitrary and indiscriminate sh*t does not sit well with me and never will

I don't recall calling you anything - I was referring to the report when I said that: "this is just the kind of 'Bleeding Heart', 'Wishy Washy' crap that fuels these murdering bastards cause and gains them sympathy where there should never be any." and it was addressed to Livia and not any kind of response to you.

But if you wish to so label yourself -- Don't let me stop you.

This is a democratic forum where all opinions are equally as welcome, so it is your prerogative to regard my views as 'warmongering rhetoric' and 'indiscriminate sh*t', but the fact that the latter does not sit well with you is unfortunately quite irrelevant as far as the validity of what I write is concerned.

As for "Nothing to do with ISIS" I never said it was, but your point is purely pedantic anyway, because the terrorism is the same, the 'cause' is the same, the bombings and murdering are the same, the names of the bombers and murdering bastards are the same - Ali, Aahmed, Aasif, Aasil (and we haven't moved from the letter 'A' yet) - only the names of the subhuman terrorist organisation changes.

As for your claim that: "There is a way to combat extremism without resorting to torture."

Perhaps you'd like to expound and outline just which "way" you allude to? How about we play fecking football for such vital information with Jihadi John? Perhaps we could use any of his innocent victim's severed heads as the football? First to three goals wins.

Again you have the God-given democratic right (for now, thanks to whatever it is that our security forces get up in private with terrorist murdering scumbags in order to protect our democratic way of life) to believe what you want. So when you state that you "are not gonna blindly justify those methods" because you believe the report and that the CIA interrogation "failed to secure information that foiled any threats", you are in order.

However, under the same God-given democratic rights, I have the prerogative to believe Director John Brennan when he states that: "The intelligence gained from the program was critical to our understanding of al-Qaeda and continues to inform our counter-terrorism efforts to this day."

You can take umbrage at my views and state that I am a warmonger, and I will state that it is people like you who need a reality check as to just what is happening in every country in this world with these inhuman, insane, evil. murdering dog turds, and your 'sense of PC fair play' is outdated, ludricous, and extremely dangerous.

Personally, this 'warmonger' could not give a flying feck as to just what any of the Security Services of the countries of the (still barely) 'Free' world get up to in order to extract information which may save lives and halt the March of Islamic Fundamentalism - and you can bet a £1.00 to a Dinar, that no matter what they get up to, it will pale into insignificance in comparison to the evil atrocities which these barbaric terrorist demons perpetrate daily.