[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by the truth

youre name calling makes you sound worse than the people you name call

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by ~HO~HO~HO~

Even if you completely disagree with his parties views you cant disagree that he has had a big influence on politics this year.

The constant shouts of outrage at every little thing that's publicised about him is actually laughable.

Well said.

The issue troubling the great British public above all others is immigration. Every poll confirms this. Speaking to ordinary people in the street confirms this.

This concern does not make these people 'Racist'.

This concern is just why Nigel Farage and his UKIP party are gaining in popularity with the Great British Public.

This is a democracy.

The Majority of people in this Democracy have been increasingly concerned about unfettered imigration for years now.

The Majority of people in this Democracy have 'suffered in silence' while their elected representatives have persistently lied to them about immigration, or ignored their concerns.

Labour MP's have been 'warned' by their leaders not to talk about immigration.

The Conservatives are trotting out the same old rhetoric on immigration which they always have before doing spectacular 'U' turns on the subject, or lying to try to cover up their total impotency on dealing with the issue.

The Majority are not stupid and do not 'swallow' everything that Farage is saying, nor do they necessarily agree with all elements of his party's manifesto, but he is the only political party leader willing to talk about the very real issue of immigration, and the only political party leader with the balls to at least propose some type of real action for dealing with it.

People can scream 'Racist' or 'Homophobic' from the rooftops - it will change nothing, because they are in a Minority and in a Democracy, the Majority will have its way.

Farage may prove to be a liar or totally impotent, but for now, there is no evidence to support such a theory. With the Conservatives and Labour, there is a long history of both parties being proven liars and a wealth of evidence to confirm their political impotency.

The Majority in this Democracy may just be electing to ignore the disproportionate 'scare mongering' about Farage, and might just be seriously regarding him as the 'lesser of three evils'.

Who knows; Farage and UKIP might just prove to be the best political party in the UK for 50 years, and let's face it - they could hardly be any worse than those we have had.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

I am not putting words in your mouth, I made an analogy - just like you did. It can't be wrong when I do it, but okay when you do it.

You say Farage "spout (sic) hitleresque". I said that was the same as likening Miliband to Stalin, ie: ridiculous. See? No one's putting words in anyone's mouth.

So... likening Farage to a man who waged war across the world and exterminated millions of people is a little beyond the pale even for you.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Lmao

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

The issue troubling the great British public above all others is immigration.

"above all others"? No.

The Majority of people in this Democracy have been increasingly concerned about unfettered imigration for years now.

Maybe? Doubt it.

The Majority of people in this Democracy have 'suffered in silence' while their elected representatives have persistently lied to them about immigration, or ignored their concerns.

No. The majority of people are too busy watching the X factor and drinking too much beer or wine to pay much attention.

The Majority are not stupid and do not 'swallow' everything that Farage is saying, nor do they necessarily agree with all elements of his party's manifesto

Correctish, but more correct:

The Majority are stupid but still do not 'swallow' anything that Farage is saying, nor do they necessarily agree with any of the elements of his party's manifesto

People can scream 'Racist' or 'Homophobic' from the rooftops

They should

it will change nothing

Sadly true, but

because they are in a Minority

Not for this reason. They aren't a minority.

and in a Democracy, the Majority will have its way.

Bzzzzzt. Wrong.

Farage may prove to be a liar

Doubt he's a liar exactly, I'm sure he believes his own garbage. Most of this sort do.

Or totally impotent

The Majority in this Democracy may just be electing to ignore the disproportionate 'scare mongering' about Farage, and might just be seriously regarding him as the 'lesser of three evils'.

No.

Who knows; Farage and UKIP might just prove to be the best political party in the UK for 50 years

No.

they could hardly be any worse than those we have had.

They really, really could.



I'm not convinced you actually understand what the word "majority" means, Kirk. Nor, apparently, do you really comprehend how democracy works in a non-binary decision. To make it binary, remove all other considerations that split the vote. UKIP vs "anything but UKIP". UKIP is then a teeny, tiny minority. People are dumb. They're not THAT dumb. The MAJORITY of people know that Farage and Co are casually racist arseholes. Thankfully.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I am not putting words in your mouth, I made an analogy - just like you did. It can't be wrong when I do it, but okay when you do it.

You say Farage "spout (sic) hitleresque". I said that was the same as likening Miliband to Stalin, ie: ridiculous. See? No one's putting words in anyone's mouth.

So... likening Farage to a man who waged war across the world and exterminated millions of people is a little beyond the pale even for you.

Don't patronise me please. Your analogy was as way off as mine, if you thought mine ridiculous why counter with something equally as bizarre?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

youre 100% right and the blasphemous name caller archangel is 100% wrong

Excuse me...what is it that you object to?

[Niall]

This must be some sort of misprint

[Niall]

Either way I'm sure I'm not the only one in this country who would take deep pleasure in smacking Farage across the temples with a cinderblock.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

How many racist/homophobic scandals have UKIP been involved with this year? It seems like there's a new one every week. In politics in particular, you are the company you keep and his defense of the rampant racism and homophobia within his party only soldifies the image of him being a bigot.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it's a ****ing duck. He is no better than the bigots in his party and I pity anyone that's foolish enough to think that UKIP getting anymore power than they already are will be a good thing. Keep the scandals coming and send these morons the way of the BNP.

Well said, I have to agree with all this.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I have not bothered commenting on the rest of your post T.S. because you merely contradict without giving grounds for your contradiction. And thus it is only a difference of opinion - nothing more, nothing less.

"I'm not convinced you actually understand what the word "majority" means, Kirk. Nor, apparently, do you really comprehend how democracy works in a non-binary decision. To make it binary, remove all other considerations that split the vote. UKIP vs "anything but UKIP". UKIP is then a teeny, tiny minority. People are dumb. They're not THAT dumb. The MAJORITY of people know that Farage and Co are casually racist arseholes. Thankfully"

I understand what the word "majority" means, T.S., as I comprehend how democracy works in a 'non-binary decision'.

I do not think, however that you understood my post (it seems to be an increasingly prevalent trait on here now - maybe it's me? No. It's not).

I was not referring to Farage and UKIP winning any election, therefore 'teeny, tiny' minorities do not come into it - I was referring to UKIP increasing in popularity - nothing more, nothing less.

As for: "People are dumb.They're not THAT dumb. The MAJORITY of people know that Farage and Co are casually racist arseholes. Thankfully".


Well, I do not believe that people are as dumb as you make them out to be - hence the increasing support for Farage and UKIP.

[MTVN]

In 2013 the winner was George Osborne, in 2012 it was Seb Coe, in 2011 Alex Salmond. It seems to basically always be an award concerned with whoever made the biggest impact in politics each year and this year that probably is Farage. Whether we like it or nor - and most of us don't - 2014 politically has been the story of Ukip's rise, and Farage is more synonymous with his party than any other politician. Farage is Ukip; they'd be nothing without him.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by The Geordie Jesus

In 2013 the winner was George Osborne, in 2012 it was Seb Coe, in 2011 Alex Salmond. It seems to basically always be an award concerned with whoever made the biggest impact in politics each year and this year that probably is Farage. Whether we like it or nor - and most of us don't - 2014 politically has been the story of Ukip's rise, and Farage is more synonymous with his party than any other politician. Farage is Ukip; they'd be nothing without him.

Very important points there MT - See why I voted you one of the most intelligent members? (even given our differences of opinion)

[Livia]

Originally Posted by The Geordie Jesus

In 2013 the winner was George Osborne, in 2012 it was Seb Coe, in 2011 Alex Salmond. It seems to basically always be an award concerned with whoever made the biggest impact in politics each year and this year that probably is Farage. Whether we like it or nor - and most of us don't - 2014 politically has been the story of Ukip's rise, and Farage is more synonymous with his party than any other politician. Farage is Ukip; they'd be nothing without him.

Great post MTVN.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by The Geordie Jesus

In 2013 the winner was George Osborne, in 2012 it was Seb Coe, in 2011 Alex Salmond. It seems to basically always be an award concerned with whoever made the biggest impact in politics each year and this year that probably is Farage. Whether we like it or nor - and most of us don't - 2014 politically has been the story of Ukip's rise, and Farage is more synonymous with his party than any other politician. Farage is Ukip; they'd be nothing without him.

despite the usual politically correct idiots calling anyone with an opinion sexist racist bigots....farage is well liked and doing a great job. he has backbone, the facts and the balls to speak his mind. for me though his greatest moments are in europe where frankly he takes the piss out of all those corrupt wasteful unaccountable ruinous dangerous euro mupppets. kermit and miss piggy would do a better job

[Firewire]

I think Nicola Sturgeon deserved it this year, even though I'm not a huge fan of hers. Her politics is the kind of politics I would be happy to be part of.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by SelenaSnowmez

I think Nicola Sturgeon deserved it this year, even though I'm not a huge fan of hers. Her politics is the kind of politics I would be happy to be part of.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I was not referring to Farage and UKIP winning any election, therefore 'teeny, tiny' minorities do not come into it - I was referring to UKIP increasing in popularity - nothing more, nothing less.

No, you repeatedly (and with an underline) stated various things about the "Majority" of people. Increasing support does not indicate a "Majority" by any stretch of the imagination. The (vast) "Majority" of people still, thankfully, dislike Farage / Ukip and their xenophobic politics. The minority of people who support Ukip is increasing, but that doesn't in any way make it a majority. It makes it a slightly larger minority.

You also emphatically stated that "in a democracy, the Majority will have its way". Which is untrue to the point of being utter nonsense... the majority of people in the UK didn't want a conservative government, and they certainly didn't want a twisted Tory coalition government, and yet we have one.

Stating with such certainty that "the majority" of people share your political concerns is deluded fantasy, Kirk. Sorry.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by SelenaSnowmez

I think Nicola Sturgeon deserved it this year, even though I'm not a huge fan of hers. Her politics is the kind of politics I would be happy to be part of.

I was an admirer of Alex Salmond although I live in England.

I had my reservations as to Nicola Sturgeon however,I graciously accept I was wrong to have them.
I have liked just about all I have heard from her so far and I love the compassionate social policies she intends to pursue.

So I can easily agree with you that she would have been the most worthy recipient.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by The Geordie Jesus

In 2013 the winner was George Osborne, in 2012 it was Seb Coe, in 2011 Alex Salmond. It seems to basically always be an award concerned with whoever made the biggest impact in politics each year and this year that probably is Farage. Whether we like it or nor - and most of us don't - 2014 politically has been the story of Ukip's rise, and Farage is more synonymous with his party than any other politician. Farage is Ukip; they'd be nothing without him.

The person I think of when I think of UKIP is Kilroy Silk, he was one of the founding fathers and even he thinks Farage is fascist nutter
Didn't UKIPs pillaged MP accuse Farage of being too racist to be taken seriously in the world of real politics?
The person who has made the biggest political impact is Brand and he doesn't even vote!

[the truth]

Originally Posted by ArchAngel

The person I think of when I think of UKIP is Kilroy Silk, he was one of the founding fathers and even he thinks Farage is fascist nutter
Didn't UKIPs pillaged MP accuse Farage of being too racist to be taken seriously in the world of real politics?
The person who has made the biggest political impact is Brand and he doesn't even vote!

brand is an ignorant narcisistic egotist, he fails to listen to any opinion that doesnt wholly agree with his mindless stance....this is a fool who wants to totally legalise all drug use, who cares wholly for the drug users and drug pushers who number fewer than 1 million and doesnt care less about the other 62 million silent majority who get beaten bullied robbed harassed and even killed by these junkies. hence why we in the uk have some of the highest drug crime and crime per head in the entire western world. brand is a populist dangerous name caller. once you get past his gimkmicks and his self obsession and the way he romanticises hiw own drug use...there is nothing. he has no facts , no real ideas, no real backbone....when grilled he recoils, oh im just a comedian ha ha.....yet he then goes around name calling people with differing views, yet has no facts with which to back up his slanderous slurrs...he will do infinitely more damage to the uk than farage.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

brand is an ignorant narcisistic egotist, he fails to listen to any opinion that doesnt wholly agree with his mindless stance....this is a fool who wants to totally legalise all drug use, who cares wholly for the drug users and drug pushers who number fewer than 1 million and doesnt care less about the other 62 million silent majority who get beaten bullied robbed harassed and even killed by these junkies. hence why we in the uk have some of the highest drug crime and crime per head in the entire western world. brand is a populist dangerous name caller. once you get past his gimkmicks and his self obsession and the way he romanticises hiw own drug use...there is nothing. he has no facts , no real ideas, no real backbone....when grilled he recoils, oh im just a comedian ha ha.....yet he then goes around name calling people with differing views, yet has no facts with which to back up his slanderous slurrs...he will do infinitely more damage to the uk than farage.

Many people have suggested the legalisation of drugs he's not alone, and as most MPs are egotists he would fit in nicely if you ask me.

What does farage think about workers rights, or Womens rights...This 'great' Briton?
Yes he's really 'shook up' politics in the UK, unfortunately when he shook it he set us back a few decades as his theories on those are practically Dickensian.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by ArchAngel

Many people have suggested the legalisation of drugs he's not alone, and as most MPs are egotists he would fit in nicely if you ask me.

What does farage think about workers rights, or Womens rights...This 'great' Briton?
Yes he's really 'shook up' politics in the UK, unfortunately when he shook it he set us back a few decades as his theories on those are practically Dickensian.

youre acting as his judge and jury , yet you dont even know his opinions on these issues? do your reseacrh before spouting your farage hate

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

youre acting as his judge and jury , yet you dont even know his opinions on these issues? do your reseacrh before spouting your farage hate

I have thank you, I don't hate him I just don't agree with his views.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by ArchAngel

I have thank you, I don't hate him I just don't agree with his views.

no you clearly havent