[Raph]

Originally Posted by Jake.

With regards to who I personally prefer, Hazel >>

Gina peaked by the second week, and slowly became some bitter, nasty and bitchy caricature of herself who was no longer funny to watch and provided nothing but negativity. The way she treated Hazel was beyond catty and even sexist (another case of the woman being labelled the 'homewrecker' whilst the male gets off with half as much). Nothing endearing about the woman at all for me.

Whilst I see what you're saying Jake, I think in Hazel's case whilst sexism as a whole definitely plays a role in her being the one who seemed to get all the blame for it, the 'homewrecker' accusation was fair. With Hazel, whilst it was fascinating for me to watch, you could tell she would strongly flirt with Daley, despite very well knowing he had a a girlfriend. To me, that is deliberately trying to 'homewreck', if you will. That being said, the bigger issue was that Daley wasn't given any of the blame for it, when ultimately, he was the one who was committed to someone, not Hazel. So I guess what i'm getting at is that whilst the constant targeting of Hazel and only Hazel very much showed deeper roots of sexism, the 'homewrecker' label itself was somewhat justified.

[Daniel.]

Gina ha a load of entertainin momens such as the feud with Sllie, Jemima, her arguing with Jackie and her kookyness. Yes she was nasty to Hazel, but she brought more than negativity.

[Raph]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

I think it would be summed up well to say Hazel was a better person but Gina was a better housemate.

See to me, Gina was a better person but Hazel was a better housemate

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Raph

Whilst I see what you're saying Jake, I think in Hazel's case whilst sexism as a whole definitely plays a role in her being the one who seemed to get all the blame for it, the 'homewrecker' accusation was fair. With Hazel, whilst it was fascinating for me to watch, you could tell she would strongly flirt with Daley, despite very well knowing he had a a girlfriend. To me, that is deliberately trying to 'homewreck', if you will. That being said, the bigger issue was that Daley wasn't given any of the blame for it, when ultimately, he was the one who was committed to someone, not Hazel. So I guess what i'm getting at is that whilst the constant targeting of Hazel and only Hazel very much showed deeper roots of sexism, the 'homewrecker' label itself was somewhat justified.

This.

It really annoyed me Daley got hardly any blame, when it takes two to tango

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by Raph

Whilst I see what you're saying Jake, I think in Hazel's case whilst sexism as a whole definitely plays a role in her being the one who seemed to get all the blame for it, the 'homewrecker' accusation was fair. With Hazel, whilst it was fascinating for me to watch, you could tell she would strongly flirt with Daley, despite very well knowing he had a a girlfriend. To me, that is deliberately trying to 'homewreck', if you will. That being said, the bigger issue was that Daley wasn't given any of the blame for it, when ultimately, he was the one who was committed to someone, not Hazel. So I guess what i'm getting at is that whilst the constant targeting of Hazel and only Hazel very much showed deeper roots of sexism, the 'homewrecker' label itself was somewhat justified.

I completely disagreee - Hazel was told by Daley he was going to spilt up with her and he was coming on strong - Daley lied and led Hazel to feel free to flirt. Hazel was not even nasty, a lovely girl who did nothing wrong

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by Raph

Whilst I see what you're saying Jake, I think in Hazel's case whilst sexism as a whole definitely plays a role in her being the one who seemed to get all the blame for it, the 'homewrecker' accusation was fair. With Hazel, whilst it was fascinating for me to watch, you could tell she would strongly flirt with Daley, despite very well knowing he had a a girlfriend. To me, that is deliberately trying to 'homewreck', if you will. That being said, the bigger issue was that Daley wasn't given any of the blame for it, when ultimately, he was the one who was committed to someone, not Hazel. So I guess what i'm getting at is that whilst the constant targeting of Hazel and only Hazel very much showed deeper roots of sexism, the 'homewrecker' label itself was somewhat justified.

I completely disagreee - Hazel was told by Daley he was going to spilt up with her and he was coming on strong - Daley lied and led Hazel to feel free to flirt. Hazel was not even nasty, a lovely girl who did nothing wrong to be hones

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Raph

Whilst I see what you're saying Jake, I think in Hazel's case whilst sexism as a whole definitely plays a role in her being the one who seemed to get all the blame for it, the 'homewrecker' accusation was fair. With Hazel, whilst it was fascinating for me to watch, you could tell she would strongly flirt with Daley, despite very well knowing he had a a girlfriend. To me, that is deliberately trying to 'homewreck', if you will. That being said, the bigger issue was that Daley wasn't given any of the blame for it, when ultimately, he was the one who was committed to someone, not Hazel. So I guess what i'm getting at is that whilst the constant targeting of Hazel and only Hazel very much showed deeper roots of sexism, the 'homewrecker' label itself was somewhat justified.

I do understand what you're saying, but it always takes two to tango and the most Daley got from Gina (as if it was ever any of her business anyway) was 'you really need to stop' whilst Hazel had a good 3-4 weeks of pure drivel. I don't agree with somebody coming inbetween a couple in any circumstance, but as you've pointed out, for only the female (and the person who was single) to take on the full responsibility is completely unfair and sexist. Gina was just a jelous person who used this as an excuse to get back at a much more attractive female who didn't look like a man in drag 24/7.

[Marsh.]

He also changed his story a few times during the first few weeks.

From girlfriend, to ex girlfriend, to someone he was just dating but they weren't official.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jake.

I do understand what you're saying, but it always takes two to tango and the most Daley got from Gina (as if it was ever any of her business anyway) was 'you really need to stop' whilst Hazel had a good 3-4 weeks of pure drivel. I don't agree with somebody coming inbetween a couple in any circumstance, but as you've pointed out, for only the female (and the person who was single) to take on the full responsibility is completely unfair and sexist. Gina was just a jelous person who used this as an excuse to get back at a much more attractive female who didn't look like a man in drag 24/7.

[Raph]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

I completely disagreee - Hazel was told by Daley he was going to spilt up with her and he was coming on strong - Daley lied and led Hazel to feel free to flirt. Hazel was not even nasty, a lovely girl who did nothing wrong

From what I remember Daley said to Hazel first "I like you" but never said he would actually break up with his girlfriend, although he may have insinuated it with the way he behaved. Hazel is in my top 10 housemates of all time, so i'd never say she was nasty but ultimately the right thing to do would've been to not engage in flirting with Daley until he actually had broken up with his girlfriend. By doing so, in particular always asking Daley for 'a hug' when it was clearly putting him in an uncomfortable situation, showed homewrecking-esque behavior to me.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

Gina ha a load of entertainin momens such as the feud with Sllie, Jemima, her arguing with Jackie and her kookyness. Yes she was nasty to Hazel, but she brought more than negativity.

Literally only found those two of entertainment value, and even then to unfairly brand somebody as a racist was pretty disgusting.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

He also changed his story a few times during the first few weeks.

From girlfriend, to ex girlfriend, to someone he was just dating but they weren't official.

I was about to post this. He said one thing one moment and then another the next.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Literally only found those two of entertainment value, and even then to unfairly brand somebody as a racist was pretty disgusting.

this tbh

[Daniel.]

To say "you probably would not date a white guy" was not the best of things to say

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Literally only found those two of entertainment value, and even then to unfairly brand somebody as a racist was pretty disgusting.

Yeah, that was beyond low and totally out of order, the fact that Jemima actually got a warning because of it as well was just astonishing.

[Raph]

Originally Posted by Jake.

I do understand what you're saying, but it always takes two to tango and the most Daley got from Gina (as if it was ever any of her business anyway) was 'you really need to stop' whilst Hazel had a good 3-4 weeks of pure drivel. I don't agree with somebody coming inbetween a couple in any circumstance, but as you've pointed out, for only the female (and the person who was single) to take on the full responsibility is completely unfair and sexist. Gina was just a jelous person who used this as an excuse to get back at a much more attractive female who didn't look like a man in drag 24/7.

Absolutely. And it's evident -- e.g. When Siavash was hooking up with Noirin or Steven with Kimberly, neither got any hard time at all which is totally unjust and unfortunately it all stems from society deeming certain things unacceptable for women that are apparently acceptable for men

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

To say "you probably would not date a white guy" was not the best of things to say

Being backed in a corner after being accused of potential racism is going to catch you on your feet.. She shouldn't have said it but didn't mean it in a harmful way.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I wish Hazel wasn't shameless enough to appear on like the second episode of BOTS for BB15 after Channel 5 released a statement that she was to blame for Daley nearly raping her.

I think ultimately for me, Hazel sounds great on paper but she's not all that good at being Hazel.

[Raph]

All this discussion just reminds me how phenomenal BB14 was

[Daniel.]

I agree with that. (To Jake)

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Raph

Absolutely. And it's evident -- e.g. When Siavash was hooking up with Noirin or Steven with Kimberly, neither got any hard time at all which is totally unjust and unfortunately it all stems from society deeming certain things unacceptable for women that are apparently acceptable for men

Ergh the whole Marcus/Siavash situation with Noirin The fact that she was made to look like some nasty villian because she wasn't sexually attracted to a man with the tendencies of a skunk.

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by Raph

All this discussion just reminds me how phenomenal BB14 was

It was average

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Raph

All this discussion just reminds me how phenomenal BB14 was

the best series channel 5 did
doubt any other big brother in the future will match it

[Daniel.]

Big Brother 13 is better than Big Brother 14

[Raph]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Ergh the whole Marcus/Siavash situation with Noirin The fact that she was made to look like some nasty villian because she wasn't sexually attracted to a man with the tendencies of a skunk.

Not to mention the fact that Siavash had a girlfriend and he was cheating on her, but uh it was okay because he was male and was popular with the public