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Kizzy · 17-01-2015, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

...and do you not think that Conservative advisors to David Cameron are advising him to try to get out of the debates.
They are well aware that under the scrutiny of the debates, the failure of David Cameron will become more pronounced.

Ed Miliband is not the only leader with advisors arista, they all have them no matter the party the lead.
However, why just single out Ed, he has aid he will do the debates, he will debate with whoever the organisaors and channels include in them.
he has never said no one shouldn't be aprt of the debates, he leaves that decision to the organisors.

He has accepted the invite to do them and he should not, just as David Cameron nor any other leader should not, try to influence how the debates are set up.

David Cameron was the cheerleader for the 2010 debates, he believed they would help him romp home in the election.
However they didn't and now he is setting out to try to impose his conditions for taking part,so scared of them is he.

had the Greens been already included, he would then be liekly saying he will not take part as he doesn't think the debates should all take place during the election campaign.
Something he wasn't bothered about last time either.

There is only one leader wriggling on this,not Ed Miliband, not UKIPs leader, not the Greens leader and not even Nick Clegg.

Only David Cameron is the one wriggling as to these debates, the other leaders have acted with professionalism and a willingness to accept the debates as they are set up,no matter who is included.
Only one is not, David Cameron.

Maybe voters, (rather than deflecting to Ed Miliband, Nick Clegg, Nigel Farage or the Green leader for no justifiable reasons in my view),should, all be looking at this incompetent PM wriggling any way he can, using anyone and anything he can too,to avoid taking part in these debates that only he of all the party leaders is so scared of.

I agree Joey, he's squirming like a worm on a hook.

joeysteele · 17-01-2015, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

I agree Joey, he's squirming like a worm on a hook.

He for sure is Kizzy.

The point is if David Cameron is only selective in the one/s he appears in then that is going to reflect really badly on him.

I would be more than pleased to see the Greens in any of the debates, having yet another leader in a debate or all the debates, pointing out the lies and failure of David Cameron all along the way from the 2010 election, is only going to be a good thing in my view.

Just about the last thing,(from all I have heard from them),that the Greens want along with the SNP too, is David Cameron continuing as PM and a Conservative led govt; after the May election.
So for me, yes please, lets have the Greens there with their voice added to all the other leaders against this totally heartless and failed govt.

Z · 17-01-2015, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Nedusa

Actually the fact the Greens were overlooked in this proposed debate suits Mr Cameron as he can now use this situation to refuse a live TV debate until they are included.

He knows a live TV debate with Mr Miliband will not help his cause as the NHS will be the main debating topic and he knows his record on this means he would lose.

Senior Tories have calculated that having this type of live TV debate cannot help Mr Cameron's chances of re-election only reduce them.

So the best tactic for Mr Cameron is to be seen willing to have a debate whilst finding ways to avoid actually having a debate.

So this issue with the Greens is a good avoiding tactic.

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Agreed. He's not a closet Green supporter, he's just in their corner because he knows the Greens are the left's version of UKIP in this debate and he knows that he can avoid TV debates if he has a legitimate sounding reason to dodge them. It's funny how alliances can be formed just like that.

JoshBB · 17-01-2015, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Z

Agreed. He's not a closet Green supporter, he's just in their corner because he knows the Greens are the left's version of UKIP in this debate and he knows that he can avoid TV debates if he has a legitimate sounding reason to dodge them. It's funny how alliances can be formed just like that.

Of course he isn't a closet green. The greens and tories have fundamental ideological contradictions which is why I don't think we will ever have a defect from one to the other at any time soon.