[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Perez has been just as bad and worse outside the house and plenty are ignoring that fact,so why the problem with KH ?

Perez winds people up & clearly knows how to press other HM's buttons but I don't recall him taking the piss out of anyone the way Katie H did with Alicia.
Perez & Katie H are very alike. Outspoken & have made a living slating people.
Perez is annoying people while Katie is taking the piss.

[Stevep]

Originally Posted by ebandit

when i venture out again.............i must be careful not to express myself

if my opinion differs to others..............they may consider myself to be

......a bully

Mark L

Do you not consider that going up to someone and repetitively, without any provocation, calling them outright dumb is at least a mild case of bullying? If not what was the purpose of constantly reiterating that same 'opinion' over and over again? It's aim was too belittle, humiliate and most of all to get a cheap laugh out of the viewing audience. All calculated, no 'honesty' about it.

Do you just go up to random people and call them dumb? No, as you'd get a wallop.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by ebandit

when i venture out again.............i must be careful not to express myself

if my opinion differs to others..............they may consider myself to be

......a bully

Mark L

Its not about speaking your mind, its about writing something to a mass audience with no come back. If she went out on the street and told the working classes that they were all unintelligent; if she stopped a fat person and told them they were lazy, she would be pressing charges on people for ABH. Hopkins is a troll so she can sit in the comforts of her office chair and voice what she thinks in the knowledge that the only sting comes from her tail.

In the house she has voiced her opinions to people she deems weaker than herself. That isn't big of her, its not tough and most would see it as cowardly. She's incredibly careful what she says to those who she considers stronger characters.

I would love to talk to Katie Hopkins face to face but I don't have that luxury. I would love to ask Katie Hopkins why she believes working class people are unintelligent? what's her research on that? where did that view come from? and did she agree that most working class people can't afford the same privileged education she had? I would love to put her on the spot and have her give me some intelligent answers but because she's a person who speaks without reason, I doubt she could answer any of my questions.

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Its not about speaking your mind, its about writing something to a mass audience with no come back. If she went out on the street and told the working classes that they were all unintelligent; if she stopped a fat person and told them they were lazy, she would be pressing charges on people for ABH. Hopkins is a troll so she can sit in the comforts of her office chair and voice what she thinks in the knowledge that the only sting comes from her tail.

In the house she has voiced her opinions to people she deems weaker than herself. That isn't big of her, its not tough and most would see it as cowardly. She's incredibly careful what she says to those who she considers stronger characters.

I would love to talk to Katie Hopkins face to face but I don't have that luxury. I would love to ask Katie Hopkins why she believes working class people are unintelligent? what's her research on that? where did that view come from? and did she agree that most working class people can't afford the same privileged education she had? I would love to put her on the spot and have her give me some intelligent answers but because she's a person who speaks without reason, I doubt she could answer any of my questions.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Perez has been just as bad and worse outside the house and plenty are ignoring that fact,so why the problem with KH ?

In many ways he has but we aren't talking about Perez!

[ebandit]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Its not about speaking your mind, its about writing something to a mass audience with no come back.

read it........................or move on

Mark L

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

Perez winds people up & clearly knows how to press other HM's buttons but I don't recall him taking the piss out of anyone the way Katie H did with Alicia.
Perez & Katie H are very alike. Outspoken & have made a living slating people.
Perez is annoying people while Katie is taking the piss.

Er excuse me,perez is equally as vile as KH out of the house so why are you judging her on her outside persona and not him So if Perez wishes death on someone it's ok 'cos he is winding people up but if she does it's 'vile' that makes sense and yes perez was just as nasty to Alex and Ken,why do you think Alex left!!!

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by ebandit

read it........................or move on

Mark L

Haha, another person who can't debate!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

In many ways he has but we aren't talking about Perez!

I am ,because you cant accuse one when another is excused just because you like them, and they both basically do the same thing.

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Er excuse me,perez is equally as vile as KH out of the house so why are you judging her on her outside persona and not him So if Perez wishes death on someone it's ok 'cos he is winding people up but if she does it's 'vile' that makes sense and yes perez was just as nasty to Alex and Ken,why do you think Alex left!!!

I clearly stated that Perez & Katie H are alike.
Also, I AM judging them both on their inside house behaviour.
Perez is a total twat but Katie targeted Alicia for her own amusement.
If YOU want to support a person like Katie H then good for you but don't try to justify her nasty personality.
She is rotten to the core.
Alex left as he knew he was unable to control his emotions with Perez. Ken left as his language was unacceptable.
It's funny how people hate Alicia as they think she played the victim but then blame Perez for so-called bullying of Alex & Ken.
Total double-standards.
At least be consistent in your defence of Katie H.

[ebandit]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Haha, another person who can't debate!

great! when the answer is not as desired............stomp ones foot

Mark L

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by ebandit

great! when the answer is not as desired............stomp ones foot

Mark L

Personally, i thought your short answer said all that was needed. Why use a thousand words when a few will do.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

I clearly stated that Perez & Katie H are alike.
Also, I AM judging them both on their inside house behaviour.
Perez is a total twat but Katie targeted Alicia for her own amusement.
If YOU want to support a person like Katie H then good for you but don't try to justify her nasty personality.
She is rotten to the core.
Alex left as he knew he was unable to control his emotions with Perez. Ken left as his language was unacceptable.
It's funny how people hate Alicia as they think she played the victim but then blame Perez for so-called bullying of Alex & Ken.
Total double-standards.
At least be consistent in your defence of Katie H.

Alex left as a result of Perez harassing him,he was also verbally nasty to Ken,i never said I hated Alicia either,and I never said anyone was being bullied,imo they have both done more or less the same but she gets the 'nasty' tag now THAT is double standards,and there is no way these Hms are being judges just from their time in the house,lol,we all have preconceived ideas.

[Josy]

Certainly not. Vile woman.

She is definitely pulling the wool over some peoples eyes though.

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Alex left as a result of Perez harassing him,he was also verbally nasty to Ken,i never said I hated Alicia either,and I never said anyone was being bullied,imo they have both done more or less the same but she gets the 'nasty' tag now THAT is double standards,and there is no way these Hms are being judges just from their time in the house,lol,we all have preconceived ideas.

You & I are NEVER going to agree on this as we see things totally differently.
We are both trying to defend a house full of adult-children

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Josy

Certainly not. Vile woman.

She is definitely pulling the wool over some peoples eyes though.

Or people are looking and seeing more into her character.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I am ,because you cant accuse one when another is excused just because you like them, and they both basically do the same thing.

I don't like either of them but I don't think they are doing the same thing.

Katie is harassing, sarcastic, intimidating, insulting, mocking and threatening.
Parez is harassing, enticing, annoying and manic.

The only thing the two of them are doing which is similar is grabbing camera time.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Or people are looking and seeing more into her character.

Possibly, I tend to think what I posted though...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

You & I are NEVER going to agree on this as we see things totally differently.
We are both trying to defend a house full of adult-children

Each to their own,I didn't really like KH before she went in because I listened to what people said about her ,but looking into some stuff,I don't think she is a bad as people think she is,but that's just my opinion,I may change my mind before the end,I could put up with that from Perez,but I cant stand that so called 'fun' as in slapstick,tongue flicking,childish prancing around in pants for attention type of people,that's probably why I favour her over him.No hard feellings though,afterall it's just a game.

[GiRTh]

Some of us haven't forgotten outside the house she's a bully but so is Perez. Perez has entertained me with some of his antics while Hopkins has irritated me with her picking of easy targets like Alicia, her befriending of people that she turned her nose up on opening night and he constant berating of Perez.

Some may say that she's been friendly and welcoming in the house and given people a chance but this is the same woman who said she doesnt want her kids to play with certain kids cuz of their names. Thats not very friendly and welcoming and its not giving people she doesnt know any chance at all now is it.

So either way Katie has been some kind of fake. She's played this game well and I've braced myself for her victory but she's not been honest either in the house or outside. However it seems the public are prepared to ignore all that and hand her the win many simply cuz of her bullying - and it is bullying - of Perez. It will be a shame if she wins this eseries.

[susie q]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I'm another one who doesn't think KH has bullied outside the house. She has said some dreadful things, but i don't classify that as bullying. She certainly has hounded Perez in the house following him round etc to the extent he needed to hide in the toilet, again, is it bullying ..could be.

Perez has behaved in a similar way to KH outside the house, but has done some much worse things to, like actually stalking people. Inside the house he wouldn't let Alexander alone, that could be classified as bullying, but its a grey area.

All in all, in the name of entertainment BB has decided Perez and KH are good housemates. As forums in general don't seem to champion "normal" types in the house and prefer to support controversy, its no surprise that there is loud support for both Perez and KH, but will either of them win with the general public? Time will tell.

Good post, bullying really doesnt have to be physically violent, I to think they are both on a level in there behaviour in the house. They are both to some degree entertaining in the house. However I am beginning to tire of both them a bit now. Would like to see a bit more of the other housemates.
both on le

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Some of us haven't forgotten outside the house she's a bully but so is Perez. Perez has entertained me with some of his antics while Hopkins has irritated me with her picking of easy targets like Alicia, her befriending of people that she turned her nose up on opening night and he constant berating of Perez.

Some may say that she's been friendly and welcoming in the house and given people a chance but this is the same woman who said she doesnt want her kids to play with certain kids cuz of their names. Thats not very friendly and welcoming and its not giving people she doesnt know any chance at all now is it.

So either way Katie has been some kind of fake. She's played this game well and I've braced myself for her victory but she's not been honest either in the house or outside. However it seems the public are prepared to ignore all that and hand her the win many simply cuz of her bullying - and it is bullying - of Perez. It will be a shame if she wins this eseries.

Give me just one example of bullying outside from KH. Opinions are not bullying. Where as Perez does. He has been arrested for stalking.

In the house, Perez has used the homophobic card three times and the race card once to try to belittle for his sick gameplan and the only real attempt at bullying has come from him against Alex.

KH's support has mainly come about because she is giving the sicko some of his own medicine back.

[Angelika]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

She hasn't been bullying in the house but she has been harassing in a threatening way at times, no matter her provocation,that's where I stop being fair in any way as to her.

She is however an on paper bully, because she uses her privileged time and writing in her career to pick on people who are weaker, more vulnerable and far poorer than her with not a single piece of compassion or understanding from her for them.
People who also haven't the means at all to address her verbal assaults and put downs of them so she knows they cannot fight back either really.

That is as pretty near to a bullying nature you can likely get.
So, no I haven't forgotten her very and totally uncalled for public nasty side at all.

She's a vile bully, she showed that in The Apprentice and is still one today.
Read this and gasp!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrit...ageous-4404987

I personally don't know how she has avoided court cases and more.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by abhorson

Give me just one example of bullying outside from KH. Opinions are not bullying. Where as Perez does. He has been arrested for stalking.

In the house, Perez has used the homophobic card three times and the race card once to try to belittle for his sick gameplan and the only real attempt at bullying has come from him against Alex.

KH's support has mainly come about because she is giving the sicko some of his own medicine back.

Her whole persona is about shouting over people in discussions and it usually involves some petty juvenile insults too. SHe rarely makes a point that is identifiable. Her appearance consist of lots of shouting and lots of insults. Simply youtube katie Hopkins to find multiple examples. She's entitled to her opinions but saying ginger babies are harder to love is not very welcoming or giving anyone a chance.

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by Angelika

She's a vile bully, she showed that in The Apprentice and is still one today.
Read this and gasp!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrit...ageous-4404987

I personally don't know how she has avoided court cases and more.

Because opinion and being forthright is not slander or against the law. I watched the apprentice and saw no bullying just a stronger case against weaker opponents.