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CBB15 Celebrity Big Brother 2015 (CBB15) was shown January 2015 on CH5, and the winner was Katie Price. Discuss the series here.


 
 
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Old 25-01-2015, 11:33 AM #11
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Well I think this comment is kind of why people are relating with Katie Hopkins.

Because people don't like when disingenuous arguments are made not in a way to promote debate and opinions but to stifle it. By throwing around loaded terms to shut down a conversation.

I mean the example you use is the perfect example.

She believes in Isreal's bombing campaign.

As do many.

Why is that?

Because many think a coordinated bombing campaign is the only way. Because of Hamas's own less discriminate bombing campaign who deliberate target innocent women and children and also use their own women and children as human shield. Because the Hamas ideology is the extermination of all Jews.

This might be an argument you agree with, or disagree with. Because actually there is a genuine argument against.

However what you have chosen to do is go the easy route and shut down the argument because it's much easier to do that by throwing out loaded untruths like 'genocide', and 'hate crime'.

As with terms like 'sexism', 'racism' when they are used to quiet real debate however extreme or opposing an opinion might be most people in real life don't like it. Because not only is it insulting and irritating to the people who you oppose but it undermines and insults the people who you agree with.

And that's why people like Katie. Her opinions are often at the extreme ends of the spectrum for dramatic effect and as such fairly two dimensional and black and white. However her loaded terms are designed to encourage debate not shut it down. Whether I agree or disagree I like that.
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Great post, I wish we saw more posts like yours. However, I disagree with some, not all, of what you said.

What Katie Hopkins does is neither original or clever. Picking out the most controversial of subject and taking the view that sits at the extreme is bound to appeal to the radical thinkers. I don't believe this creates debate, other than "what sort of person is Katie Hopkins?". It causes unrest, resentment and argument. This is why people like Farage had to severely dampen down his spiel and sack members of his party that have been too forthright when speaking out.

Whilst I believe we should all have a voice, if we are given a platform for that voice we shouldn't abuse that platform. We must be prepared to back up what we have said because if we don't, then it has to be presumed its been said in ignorance. Unfortunately, this isn't something Katie Hopkins has been willing to do thus far.

I don't agree with many of Katie Hopkins views but would respect her if only she could debate those views with her interested audience. Until that day, all I can see is a woman with a hand grenade who chucks and scarpers.

Last week I was waiting for a bus and had perched myself on a seat at the bus stop. Seeing a heavily pregnant Muslim woman approach, I got up and offered her my seat. She smiled but declined and moments later an elderly woman looked at me and uttered, "bloody immigrants, why don't they go back to their own country?". Me being me, couldn't resist questioning why this woman felt the need to say this to me but she turned her back on me and walked away. Why couldn't she answer me? because she honestly didn't have an intelligent enough answer that would of satisfied my curiosity and she knew that. What that woman did is in parallel with what Katie Hopkins does.
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