[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Any excuse to be offended from the big chip on the shoulder brigade.....





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I consider this a be an actual racist comment. The term 'chip on the shoulder' was used during the civil right movement to highlight blacks who were not acting in the way some wanted them to. Are the chip on shoulder brigade uppity too?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I consider this a be an actual racist comment. The term 'chip on the shoulder' was used during the civil right movement to highlight blacks who were not acting in the way some wanted them to. Are the chip on shoulder brigade uppity too?

could not make it up

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

could not make it up

I remember when I was a lad being told I had a chip on my shoulder. Its an old expression that was often used again if f you;ve not heard of it then you're not as clued up as you think.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I remember when I was a lad being told I had a chip on my shoulder. Its an old expression that was often used again if f you;ve not heard of it then your not as clued up as you think.

I've obviously heard that expression before but never knew where it came from

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I remember when I was a lad being told I had a chip on my shoulder. Its an old expression that was often used again if f you;ve not heard of it then you're not as clued up as you think.

dont be bloody ridiculous its common parlance and has nothing to do with race

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

dont be bloody ridiculous its common parlance and has nothing to do with race

Really??

Heres a test for you - tell a black person that he has a chip on his shoulder and see how he responds.. I'll pay your hospital bills for you

Just cus you aint heard of it dont mean sh*t to anyone.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Really??

Heres a test for you - tell a black person that he has a chip on his shoulder and see how he responds.. I'll pay your hospital bills for you

Just cus you aint heard of it dont mean sh*t to anyone.

A chip on the shoulder" comes from the ancient right of shipwrights within the Royal Navy Dockyards to take home a daily allowance of offcuts of timber, even if good wood was cut up for this purpose. The privilege was instated as a prescriptive right from 1634.[1][2][3] By 1756, this privilege had been abused and was costing taxpayers too much in lost timber for warship repair and construction. The decision was then made by the Navy Board to limit the quantity a shipwright could carry home. A warrant was issued to the Royal Dockyards to reduce the quantity of chips by ordering shipwrights to carry their bundles under their arms instead of on their shoulders, as one could not carry as much timber in this fashion. The specific incident from which the expression derives is as follows:
“ Master Shipwright and his Assistant, Chatham Dockyard, to Navy Board, 17 June 1756.

On Tuesday a petition was brought to the Honourable Thomas Cooper, Esq., Commissioner of this yard, by John Bissenden and Robert Woodriff, shipwrights, in behalf of the whole body of shipwrights, relating to their carrying chips out of the yard on their shoulders. The next day the Commissioner sent for them in the presence of the Master Shipwright and the First Assistant and represented to them the ill consequence of such proceedings, and read to them your Honourable Board's warrant of the 4 May 1753 on which the said two men withdrew the petition and said they would talk to all the people and believe everybody would be satisfied with what had been said to them. And in the afternoon the Master Shipwright sent for all the foremen and quartermen and read the Order to them of the 4th May 1753, and give every quarterman a particular charge to tell all his men separately what the order was relating to their lowering their chips and carrying them under their arm out of the yard.

This day at twelve of the clock some few of the workmen about one hundred and fifty came up first to the gate without any chips, afterwards about twenty more came and lowered their chips agreeable to the Board's warrant. Then came John Miller, shipwright, about thirty feet before the main body of the people, on which the Master Shipwright ordered him to lower his chips. He answered he would not, with that the Master Shipwright took hold of him, and said he should. He, the said Miller replied, 'Are not the chips mine? I will not lower them.' Immediately the main body pushed on with their chips on their shoulders, crowded and forced the Master Shipwright and the First Assistant through the gateway, and when out of the yard give three huzzas.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_on_shoulder


Hopefully a black person that you speak of will be a bit better educated and not some aggressive oaf who attacks people for figures of speak like in your myopic world

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

A chip on the shoulder" comes from the ancient right of shipwrights within the Royal Navy Dockyards to take home a daily allowance of offcuts of timber, even if good wood was cut up for this purpose. The privilege was instated as a prescriptive right from 1634.[1][2][3] By 1756, this privilege had been abused and was costing taxpayers too much in lost timber for warship repair and construction. The decision was then made by the Navy Board to limit the quantity a shipwright could carry home. A warrant was issued to the Royal Dockyards to reduce the quantity of chips by ordering shipwrights to carry their bundles under their arms instead of on their shoulders, as one could not carry as much timber in this fashion. The specific incident from which the expression derives is as follows:
“ Master Shipwright and his Assistant, Chatham Dockyard, to Navy Board, 17 June 1756.

On Tuesday a petition was brought to the Honourable Thomas Cooper, Esq., Commissioner of this yard, by John Bissenden and Robert Woodriff, shipwrights, in behalf of the whole body of shipwrights, relating to their carrying chips out of the yard on their shoulders. The next day the Commissioner sent for them in the presence of the Master Shipwright and the First Assistant and represented to them the ill consequence of such proceedings, and read to them your Honourable Board's warrant of the 4 May 1753 on which the said two men withdrew the petition and said they would talk to all the people and believe everybody would be satisfied with what had been said to them. And in the afternoon the Master Shipwright sent for all the foremen and quartermen and read the Order to them of the 4th May 1753, and give every quarterman a particular charge to tell all his men separately what the order was relating to their lowering their chips and carrying them under their arm out of the yard.

This day at twelve of the clock some few of the workmen about one hundred and fifty came up first to the gate without any chips, afterwards about twenty more came and lowered their chips agreeable to the Board's warrant. Then came John Miller, shipwright, about thirty feet before the main body of the people, on which the Master Shipwright ordered him to lower his chips. He answered he would not, with that the Master Shipwright took hold of him, and said he should. He, the said Miller replied, 'Are not the chips mine? I will not lower them.' Immediately the main body pushed on with their chips on their shoulders, crowded and forced the Master Shipwright and the First Assistant through the gateway, and when out of the yard give three huzzas.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_on_shoulder


Hopefully a black person that you speak of will be a bit better educated and not some aggressive oaf who attacks people for figures of speak like in your myopic world

Do the test. See what happens.

I know where the origin of the word comes too but back in the day it was an expression that was often used like uppity to describe a black person who was not behaving in the way that others wanted him to behave.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

could not make it up

I find it strange that you dont accept language has changed. Ten years ago words like meme were hardly used but now everyone knows what that is./ Languages change and if you;re not up with the changes then you need to try a little harder.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I find it strange that you dont accept language has changed. Ten years ago words like meme were hardly used but now everyone knows what that is./ Languages change and if you;re not up with the changes then you need to try a little harder.

I am aware language is fluid but I asked who decided it and why

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am aware language is fluid but I asked who decided it and why

40years rears ago word like electricity were hardly used. You seem to accept the new words but have a real problem letting go of the old offensive word.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

40years rears ago word like electricity were hardly used. You seem to accept the new words but have a real problem letting go of the old offensive word.

again no

i just asked why and who decided (3rd time)

and electricity 40 years ago?

i think you may mean 100 years

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

again no

i just asked why and who decided (3rd time)

and electricity 40 years ago?

Maybe 50 but defintely not 100.

Who decided that we use the word troll or meme? You find out on your own but you dont want to know.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

40years rears ago word like electricity were hardly used. You seem to accept the new words but have a real problem letting go of the old offensive word.

I didn't know the word 'coloured' was now offensive either Girth - and I'm 'coloured'. But I'm of the opinion that there is far more racist intent and offense in saying; "I don't like 'black' people because they're too loud and excitable", for example, than in saying; "I like coloured people because they're more laid back and cool to be with".

It's intent, intent, intent, every time.

I didn't know that the phrase; 'chip on your shoulder' had racist origins or current racial interpretation either, because I was under the impression that it originated from carpenters or 'chippies' rights to take odd lengths of spare timber home with them from dockyards when they were shipbuilding, because they used to carry such lengths home on their shoulder, and I always believed that the phrase was coined to describe some chippies resentment when the practice was stopped by the shipyard owners.

A quick 'google' after I read your post confirmed as much:

"A chip on the shoulder" comes from the ancient right of shipwrights within the Royal Navy Dockyards to take home a daily allowance of offcuts of timber, even if good wood was cut up for this purpose. The privilege was instated as a prescriptive right from 1634. By 1756, this privilege had been abused and was costing taxpayers too much in lost timber for warship repair and construction. The decision was then made by the Navy Board to limit the quantity a shipwright could carry home. A warrant was issued to the Royal Dockyards to reduce the quantity of chips by ordering shipwrights to carry their bundles under their arms instead of on their shoulders, as one could not carry as much timber in this fashion."

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What I do know, is that all this 'political correctness, and oversensitive 'offended' reaction to words and phrases long used by ordinary people who have not got a racist bone in their bodies, is all ridiculous B.S. and has got out of hand.

It's absolute PC madness.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I didn't know the word 'coloured' was now offensive either Girth - and I'm 'coloured'. But I'm of the opinion that there is far more racist intent and offense in saying; "I don't like 'black' people because they're too loud and excitable", for example, than in saying; "I like coloured people because they're more laid back and cool to be with".

It's intent, intent, intent, every time.

I didn't know that the phrase; 'chip on your shoulder' had racist origins or current racial interpretation either, because I was under the impression that it originated from carpenters or 'chippies' rights to take odd lengths of spare timber home with them from dockyards when they were shipbuilding, because they used to carry such lengths home on their shoulder, and I always believed that the phrase was coined to describe some chippies resentment when the practice was stopped by the shipyard owners.

A quick 'google' after I read your post confirmed as much:

"A chip on the shoulder" comes from the ancient right of shipwrights within the Royal Navy Dockyards to take home a daily allowance of offcuts of timber, even if good wood was cut up for this purpose. The privilege was instated as a prescriptive right from 1634. By 1756, this privilege had been abused and was costing taxpayers too much in lost timber for warship repair and construction. The decision was then made by the Navy Board to limit the quantity a shipwright could carry home. A warrant was issued to the Royal Dockyards to reduce the quantity of chips by ordering shipwrights to carry their bundles under their arms instead of on their shoulders, as one could not carry as much timber in this fashion."

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What I do know, is that all this 'political correctness, and oversensitive 'offended' reaction to words and phrases long used by ordinary people who have not got a racist bone in their bodies, is all ridiculous B.S. and has got out of hand.

It's absolute PC madness.

The term colored was used during Apartheid in South Africa and segregation in America as an expression to describe anyone who wasn't white. They didnt offer any further distinction than 'WHite or 'Coloured' but sometimes they used 'non white'.