[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by jaxie

How can the public like her enough to make her a potential winner?

I think it's the Anti-anything brigade.
If you tell them not to push a button they would still push it.
Katie H being so hated makes people support her for that reason.
I have found Katie quite boring more than anything

[Jack The Cat]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

I think it's the Anti-anything brigade.
If you tell them not to push a button they would still push it.
Katie H being so hated makes people support her for that reason.
I have found Katie quite boring more than anything

That is certainly a factor for me. I didn't have a strong opinion of her, until people started to say if you like her you must be a bad person as well. That really wound me up, the arrogance was shocking.

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by Jack The Cat

That is certainly a factor for me. I didn't have a strong opinion of her, until people started to say if you like her you must be a bad person as well. That really wound me up, the arrogance was shocking.

I don't think anyone is a bad person for liking Katie H.
Each to their own.
I find Calum an arrogant twat but my sister is in love with him
It's a strange world...........

[Jack The Cat]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

I don't think anyone is a bad person for liking Katie H.
Each to their own.
I find Calum an arrogant twat but my sister is in love with him
It's a strange world...........

It is a mad, mad world indeed.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Jack The Cat

That is certainly a factor for me. I didn't have a strong opinion of her, until people started to say if you like her you must be a bad person as well. That really wound me up, the arrogance was shocking.

I don't think you are a bad person Jack! I am just bewildered about why people like her because she does not come across as likeable to me. Re asbergers if it is a confirmed diagnosis then it would explain her emotional detachment some of her oddness and the relentlessness when she picks a bone with someone like going after Keith. It doesn't excuse it IMO but it would explain it. But for me she screams sociopath rather than asbergers.

[Jack The Cat]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I don't think you are a bad person Jack! I am just bewildered about why people like her because she does not come across as likeable to me. Re asbergers if it is a confirmed diagnosis then it would explain her emotional detachment some of her oddness and the relentlessness when she picks a bone with someone like going after Keith. It doesn't excuse it IMO but it would explain it. But for me she screams sociopath rather than asbergers.

You make a good point, the lack of empathy you find with Asperger's is also a major factor when diagnosing a person with "Sociopathic" tendances. I don't view a sociopath as an absolute negative, the meaning has been twisted by Hollywood to a degree.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Jack The Cat

That is certainly a factor for me. I didn't have a strong opinion of her, until people started to say if you like her you must be a bad person as well. That really wound me up, the arrogance was shocking.

That's why I don't think she has a mild form of aspies. Aspies tend to deflect people rather than draw them in. They tend to be a little or a lot eccentric which is more likely to deter friendships than encourage it. Aspies don't have superficial charm and although they do offend people, its not deliberate and they tend not to be aware that they have offended. Katie Hopkins is very aware when she's offending. Its deliberate and its calculated.

Katie Hopkins tends to look for weakness in a person and use that weakness for her own gain. That isn't something an aspies would do. Her blunt emotional reactions could be that of an aspie but that's as far as it goes and we must keep in mind that blunt emotional reactions are something we commonly see in sociopaths. The pursing of the lips and the twisting and contorting of the mouth in peculiar ways is something that is seen in sociopaths a lot.

[Jack The Cat]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

That's why I don't think she has a mild form of aspies. Aspies tend to deflect people rather than draw them in. They tend to be a little or a lot eccentric which is more likely to deter friendships than encourage it. Aspies don't have superficial charm and although they do offend people, its not deliberate and they tend not to be aware that they have offended. Katie Hopkins is very aware when she's offending. Its deliberate and its calculated.

Katie Hopkins tends to look for weakness in a person and use that weakness for her own gain. That isn't something an aspies would do. Her blunt emotional reactions could be that of an aspie but that's as far as it goes and we must keep in mind that blunt emotional reactions are something we commonly see in sociopaths. The pursing of the lips and the twisting and contorting of the mouth in peculiar ways is something that is seen in sociopaths a lot.

I agree she certainly has sociopathic characteristics.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

That's why I don't think she has a mild form of aspies. Aspies tend to deflect people rather than draw them in. They tend to be a little or a lot eccentric which is more likely to deter friendships than encourage it. Aspies don't have superficial charm and although they do offend people, its not deliberate and they tend not to be aware that they have offended. Katie Hopkins is very aware when she's offending. Its deliberate and its calculated.

Katie Hopkins tends to look for weakness in a person and use that weakness for her own gain. That isn't something an aspies would do. Her blunt emotional reactions could be that of an aspie but that's as far as it goes and we must keep in mind that blunt emotional reactions are something we commonly see in sociopaths. The pursing of the lips and the twisting and contorting of the mouth in peculiar ways is something that is seen in sociopaths a lot.

Yep. Also, Katie tends to seek out the weakest or least popular in a group to target, would a person with aspergers do that? It's calculated like you say

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yep. Also, Katie tends to seek out the weakest or least popular in a group to target, would a person with aspergers do that? It's calculated like you say

No, they aren't the weakest but they are emphatic types and because they have a big dose of empathy, they are more open to using their own intuition and are therefore more likely to question her motives. The real victims of a sociopath are those willing to follow her, not because they are mean spirited but because they are less likely to regard their own intuition as anything more than a silly thought. They are more open to her superficial charm; more taken in by her fake niceties. A sociopath sees empathic people as a threat but once she has her back up team behind her, she will go about destroying them with cool wit and a sharp tongue.

No...this isn't something an Aspies would do.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

No, they aren't the weakest but they are emphatic types and because they have a big dose of empathy, they are more open to using their own intuition and are therefore more likely to question her motives. The real victims of a sociopath are those willing to follow her, not because they are mean spirited but because they are less likely to regard their own intuition as anything more than a silly thought. They are more open to her superficial charm; more taken in by her fake niceties. A sociopath sees empathic people as a threat but once she has her back up team behind her, she will go about destroying them with cool wit and a sharp tongue.

No...this isn't something an Aspies would do.

mmm Nadia was certainly a hugely empathetic person. What about Alicia though? I think she was quite empathetic but Katie seemed to have targeted her as soon as she met her because she was weak (or so she thought, Alicia actually turned out to be stringer than i expected)

Also, what do you think her reasons for targeting Perez was? Just that she found him annoying or because you think he was also empathetic?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

mmm Nadia was certainly a hugely empathetic person. What about Alicia though? I think she was quite empathetic but Katie seemed to have targeted her as soon as she met her because she was weak (or so she thought, Alicia actually turned out to be stringer than i expected)

Also, what do you think her reasons for targeting Perez was? Just that she found him annoying or because you think he was also empathetic?

I think if anyone had a touch of Aspergers it was Alicia. There was a lot of emotional indifference from Alicia and she didn't understand untruths. She wasn't worried about speaking her mind and that included revealing truths about herself that most people would staunchly hide.

Parez and Hopkins are absolutely facinating. Parez (and this is only my opinion) is a narcissist. Grandiosity, loud and very emotional in a self pitying sort of way.

I should just say, sociopaths are narcissistic but narcissists are not sociopaths...both are self serving, neither apologise, though a sociopath can fain an apology. Whilst narcissists have little regard for the rules and can behave in a very unruly way, a functioning sociopath will be much calmer and more calculated in their actions. Narcissists becomes easily frustrated and loud when they want to get their point across, whereas a sociopath feels no frustration at all and will appear ultimately calm in most situations.

Put a sociopath with a narcissist and the sociopath will take delight in torturing that narcissist like a helpless kitten. Whilst everyone else in the house found Parez exhausting, Katie Hopkins found him entertaining and took delight in bringing out his narcissistic traits and using those traits to squash him like a fly.