[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

But that's also true if you flip it....katie hopkins overlook her behaviour.

As someone who doesn't like either it's quite amusing to see.

I'm not overlooking it though,she was too harsh with some stuff she said,but the question was,Why are Perez fans overlooking his vile behaviour,still no answer to this.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I'm not overlooking it though,she was too harsh with some stuff she said,but the question was,Why are Perez fans overlooking his vile behaviour,still no answer to this.

You'd have to ask his fans and I think Joey did answer. I was specifically meaning you but a lot fans on both sides are guilty of rose tinted specs where their favourites are concerned

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

toes tinted specs

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not partial to a bit of toe tinting marsh?

[Vanessa]

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

You'd have to ask his fans and I think Joey did answer. I was specifically meaning you but a lot fans on both sides are guilty of toes tinted specs where their favourites are concerned

I don't automatically hate people who don't like her though,that is all rather silly,imo.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't automatically hate people who don't like her though,that is all rather silly,imo.

Absolutely, couldn't agree more.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Absolutely, couldn't agree more.

I just hate Hopkins, that is all and no one else.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I just hate Hopkins, that is all and no one else.

Anyone in that house who has spoken against Perez,you have slated and hated,when they are nice about him you like them again,i don't understand that logic

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Absolutely, couldn't agree more.

Annie,can you point me to Joeys answer to my question,I cant find it

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't automatically hate people who don't like her though,that is all rather silly,imo.

Thank goodness for that Kaz

The best way is for all to have their own opinions..and agree to disagree without all the silliness.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Thank goodness for that Kaz

The best way is for all to have their own opinions..and agree to disagree without all the silliness.

Well said Smudgie I for one agree totally Wouldnt it be boring if we all agreed we just wouldnt have a debate

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I'm not overlooking it though,she was too harsh with some stuff she said,but the question was,Why are Perez fans overlooking his vile behaviour,still no answer to this.

For myself, I have answered that point and at great length too as you requested.

I repeat again, there were many things I disliked as to Perez's behaviour, I saw his behaviour as hyperactive and childish but I found it more entertaining than hers.

I knew of him, but little of him before he went in the house but I knew more about her, none of which I liked.
If you read my posts at the start of this series you would have found I went as far as I could to give her the benefit of the doubt but then her mask slipped.

I have however in fact answered so you have had an answer from some with respect.
I also feel more of us who supported Perez 'against her', have seen far more of his wrongs and faults and said so,than has been pointed as to the faults and wrongs of Katie Hopkins.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

For myself, I have answered that point and at great length too as you requested.

I repeat again, there were many things I disliked as to Perez's behaviour, I saw his behaviour as hyperactive and childish but I found it more entertaining than hers.

I knew of him, but little of him before he went in the house but I knew more about her, none of which I liked.
If you read my posts at the start of this series you would have found I went as far as I could to give her the benefit of the doubt but then her mask slipped.

I have however in fact answered so you have had an answer from some with respect.
I also feel more of us who supported Perez 'against her', have seen far more of his wrongs and faults and said so,than has been pointed as to the faults and wrongs of Katie Hopkins.

I agree. Also, i think his behaviour got worse the more some of the housemates isolated him and KH goaded him.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

For myself, I have answered that point and at great length too as you requested.

I repeat again, there were many things I disliked as to Perez's behaviour, I saw his behaviour as hyperactive and childish but I found it more entertaining than hers.

I knew of him, but little of him before he went in the house but I knew more about her, none of which I liked.
If you read my posts at the start of this series you would have found I went as far as I could to give her the benefit of the doubt but then her mask slipped.

I have however in fact answered so you have had an answer from some with respect.
I also feel more of us who supported Perez 'against her', have seen far more of his wrongs and faults and said so,than has been pointed as to the faults and wrongs of Katie Hopkins.

Just got it Joey Annie pointed it out,I am digesting it

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

For myself, I have answered that point and at great length too as you requested.

I repeat again, there were many things I disliked as to Perez's behaviour, I saw his behaviour as hyperactive and childish but I found it more entertaining than hers.

I knew of him, but little of him before he went in the house but I knew more about her, none of which I liked.
If you read my posts at the start of this series you would have found I went as far as I could to give her the benefit of the doubt but then her mask slipped.

I have however in fact answered so you have had an answer from some with respect.
I also feel more of us who supported Perez 'against her', have seen far more of his wrongs and faults and said so,than has been pointed as to the faults and wrongs of Katie Hopkins.

It could be because some of us saw no wrong in her It could be because Perez was such a plonker that we saw KH standing up to him whereas others thought the same but said nothing.

It could possibly be because some of us consider it a game, some of us put bets on (not me), some of us just want our favourite to get to the winning post. No matter what, it is up to we who criticise to prove our points and not the other way around.

Is the idea of the game to get to the winning post or have I got it wrong? Everyone has their own idea and each idea should be considered. As usual it just depends on how one feels.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jules2

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It could be because some of us saw no wrong in her It could be because Perez was such a plonker that we saw KH standing up to him whereas others thought the same but said nothing.

It could possibly be because some of us consider it a game, some of us put bets on (not me), some of us just want our favourite to get to the winning post. No matter what, it is up to we who criticise to prove our points and not the other way around.

Is the idea of the game to get to the winning post or have I got it wrong? Everyone has their own idea and each idea should be considered. As usual it just depends on how one feels.

Your answer wold stand up more were it not for those who more supported Perez not pointing out when they thought he was wrong and acknowledging faults in him.

The fact you started your response with you seeing no faults in KH, sort of defeats the argument and any criticisms you may have made and others may have made as to those for Perez for not doing so,when in fact a good number of us did, is very telling.
If you see no faults in KH unbelievably, why should those who werre more for Perez be constantly hammered for not admitting his by KH supporters.

To say someone has no faults, is for me, a rather extraordinary statement to make, I certainly have faults myself,all the people I know and am connected to have faults, I doubt an adult human being has ever been in existence that doesn't.

Not much point in debating if that is your train of thought,I simply could never agree she has no faults, I couldn't in fact agree that anyone hasn't got some.

Sorry, no offence intended but to me,that is a rose tinted glasses and blinkered view you seem to have of her,which in effect really closes any compromising or reasoned debate as to her..

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Your answer wold stand up more were it not for those who more supported Perez not pointing out when they thought he was wrong and acknowledging faults in him.

The fact you started your response with you seeing no faults in KH, sort of defeats the argument and any criticisms you may have made and others may have made as to those for Perez for not doing so,when in fact a good number of us did, is very telling.
If you see no faults in KH unbelievably, why should those who werre more for Perez be constantly hammered for not admitting his by KH supporters.

To say someone has no faults, is for me, a rather extraordinary statement to make, I certainly have faults myself,all the people I know and am connected to have faults, I doubt an adult human being has ever been in existence that doesn't.

Not much point in debating if that is your train of thought,I simply could never agree she has no faults, I couldn't in fact agree that anyone hasn't got some.

Sorry, no offence intended but to me,that is a rose tinted glasses and blinkered view you seem to have of her,which in effect really closes any compromising or reasoned debate as to her..

Joey read my response again, read all of it and not just the first bit, your question was "you could not understand etc. etc." I gave you a few reasons.

I was neither standing up for KH or downing her. I was not downing Perez or standing up for him. I was generalising for all to consume or to throw out. My remarks apply to both sides. I look totally upon it as a gameshow, thus if we want to be loyal to our own way of thinking we should not really down our own choices. We should let the other side prove what they are saying. This applies to each and everyone of the HMs, I think we are in danger of forgetting that there were more in there other than KH, Perez and Nadia it certainly was their show.

Hey outside of the house yes..................I totally agree we all have faults but I watched a TV reality show. Mmmmm I think that was the biggest fault of all because it creates such negativity for viewers and the HMs who take part.

Sadly Coleen has now opened up another can of worms and I fear she is going to get some flack for it, sometimes it is better to let sleeping dogs lay.