[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well yeah, thats how I see it. But normally when anyone says something like that on here they get the response of 'well if we did that we would be just as bad' etc etc.

Which is just meaningless cliched rubbish Vicky - in my opinion. Your reaction to this atrocity is perfectly understandable and in line with the rest of us.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Which is just meaningless cliched rubbish Vicky - in my opinion. Your reaction to this atrocity is perfectly understandable and in line with the rest of us.

You cannot stop these people without using force, they do not understand reason, you cannot play on their sympathies or their compassion (as they have none). you cannot plead with them or coerce them, they have no humanity and they WILL NOT stop until they hold your severed head in their hands.

So I'm afraid this is one time where our Christian values will fall on deaf ears and we must suspend our normal mindset and see these "people" for the threat they are and accept we must fight fire with fire.

If any of these "people" are located they must be vanquished without delay...no discourse, no questioning, no trials, no imprisonment...just eradication pure and simple.

Some things do not deserve to share this planet with us, and they most certainly fall into that category.........






.

[Kazanne]

Has this been on the main news today? cant say I've seen it

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Has this been on the main news today? cant say I've seen it

Yes in brief
Ch5HD 5PM News covered it well
and ITV1HD Lunchtime news


Of course on USA News
its on all of them in a bigger way

[Ninastar]

Absolutely, ****ing horrific. It still seems that a large amount of people in the UK don't give a damn about this. Barely seen this on the news. So sad.

[arista]

Ch4HD News now has a great report

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

Ch4HD News now has a great report

Thanks Arista

[In the Drunk Tank]

It infuriates me that everyone with any sense warned of the chaos and catastrophe that would follow Western intervention in Libya. The triumphalism that followed Gaddafi's death was sickening. Remember this:



And this (Cameron and Sarkozy with Rebel leader):



We wanted Gaddafi gone, we gave military and financial support to the rebels, we celebrated his gruesome death, bombed cities to hell and our world leaders smugly congratulated themselves on a job well done. A great success for liberal interventionism. Yet ever since there's been chaos, civil conflict, and now Libya is another haven to murderous extremists and terrorists. Thank god we were prevented from bombing the Assad regime when we were. Everything about this is just sickening and depressing.

[Vicky.]

Jesus christ..I actually dont remember that, is that a photo of a corpse on our front page news

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Jesus christ..I actually dont remember that, is that a photo of a corpse on our front page news

Basically, or at least very nearly dead. The Sun weren't even the only ones

[Vicky.]

****s sake..I vaguely remember a kickoff about something like this, but I'm not sure if it was this. Was something similar though because I remember commenting about kids seeing newspapers in shops and that

[Z]

The political environment we have in the world right now is venomous on all sides, it's worryingly familiar, like the Holocaust some 70 years ago... The Saudis aren't too concerned, they're pretty good at suppressing rebellions and they have Western backing even though they don't always see eye to eye.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Z

The political environment we have in the world right now is venomous on all sides, it's worryingly familiar, like the Holocaust some 70 years ago... The Saudis aren't too concerned, they're pretty good at suppressing rebellions and they have Western backing even though they don't always see eye to eye.

Of Course not
they make deals

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It infuriates me that everyone with any sense warned of the chaos and catastrophe that would follow Western intervention in Libya. The triumphalism that followed Gaddafi's death was sickening. Remember this:



And this (Cameron and Sarkozy with Rebel leader):



We wanted Gaddafi gone, we gave military and financial support to the rebels, we celebrated his gruesome death, bombed cities to hell and our world leaders smugly congratulated themselves on a job well done. A great success for liberal interventionism. Yet ever since there's been chaos, civil conflict, and now Libya is another haven to murderous extremists and terrorists. Thank god we were prevented from bombing the Assad regime when we were. Everything about this is just sickening and depressing.

Again - I cannot fault anything you're saying MTVN. I wish we hadn't interfered in Libya, or Iraq for that matter, and I know it's the classic 'Frankenstein complex; 'Man creates Monster, Monster turns on Man', but the very painful truth is that we did interfere, and we did create Monsters, and now the bestial rampage of those monsters has to be stopped.

We have to now deal with the effects of our mistakes, because it is too late to correct those mistakes, so no amount of self-flagellation through historic guilt will do any good.

I would say, that the West's leaders would do well to heed an old adage of mine, that; "a mistake we learn from is just an experience, a mistake we don't learn from becomes a bad habit". Or in this case, a very fatal one for many innocent people.

[Helen 28]

Apparently loads of those refugees being picked up by the Italians at sea are ISIS in disguise.
Sky reckon there are between 4-6,000 trained ISIS already smuggled into Europe waiting for the call.

So not only do we have many ISIS sympathisers already here they're also being reinforced.

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Basically, or at least very nearly dead. The Sun weren't even the only ones

On Ch4HDNews tonight
a Libyan minister
said we should arm them.

No Way
look what went down in Iraq
all that Expensive USA Army Guns
and Trucks all was taken by Isis


The Only way is Boots on the ground
house by house

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Again - I cannot fault anything you're saying MTVN. I wish we hadn't interfered in Libya, or Iraq for that matter, and I know it's the classic 'Frankenstein complex; 'Man creates Monster, Monster turns on Man', but the very painful truth is that we did interfere, and we did create Monsters, and now the bestial rampage of those monsters has to be stopped.

We have to now deal with the effects of our mistakes, because it is too late to correct those mistakes.

I 100% agree with you there Kirk, although I find it infuriating that the men and women who are sent in to give / risk their lives to correct those "mistakes" are not the men and women who made them. They seem to sleep soundly in their beds, with wine in their bellies and grins on their faces, no real care in the world, and often twice as rich for each conflict, while middle eastern civilians and US / European soldiers (and yes some civilians too) die for those "mistakes".

I put "mistakes" in inverted commas, because much like Frankenstein's, I don't believe for a second that the monster was created by mistake. Their mistake was in not realising how strong it would become and how quickly, and that they would lose control of it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Chaos

Absolutely, ****ing horrific. It still seems that a large amount of people in the UK don't give a damn about this. Barely seen this on the news. So sad.

Of course not. These are funny brown Christians, not normal British ones.

I don't say this to be racist or flippant. It's dispicable - but it's also the truth of why people care less.

[Helen 28]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Of course not. These are funny brown Christians, not normal British ones.

I don't say this to be racist or flippant. It's dispicable - but it's also the truth of why people care less.

Well you do sound racist and flippant.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I will ask anyone on here a simple question;

You are standing on that beach with a sharpened sword in your hands. Kneeling trembling on the sand beneath you is a terrified innocent ordinary man - a non-combatant who has a mother and father, and probably a wife and young children. He has done nothing wrong to you or anyone else - he is not a criminal or a soldier - he is a stranger, a migrant worker trying to earn money to support his family.

Could you as a human being sever this living, breathing, terrified human's head?

No - because it is one step beyond what any human would voluntarily do to another.

Which is why I will say again, that these monsters are NOT human. They are evil subhumans pure and simple. They deserve no sympathy - that should be reserved in its entirety for the thousands of innocent humans who are their victims and the hundreds of thousands more who will become their victims if these bastards are not stopped.

There are no 'historical crimes' committed by Christians or Jews three thousand years ago or 500 years ago which can be dredged up in a feeble attempt to mitigate or excuse what these demons are doing now.

There are no economic, political, geographic, or religious reasons which mitigate or excuse the continued deliberate, cold-blooded slaughter of innocent men, woman and children by these murderers, and no words in any language to describe the horror of their barbaric, inhuman methods of killing; from shooting innocent schoolchildren, burning alive terrified humans, and beheading innocent people - none of which can ever be termed 'Military Action', and none of which can ever be justified by a claim of 'being at war'.

Soldiers are ordinary humans who conquer their fears to engage in battle in a given theater of war against other soldiers. Soldiers do not abduct and savagely murder innocent defenseless non-combatants, and nor do they wage war on terrified women and children. Soldiers do not grin and delight in such evil acts and these terrorists are cowardly evil subhumans NOT brave and valiant soldiers.

time for action

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Helen 28

Well you do sound racist and flippant.

I personally find it just as horrific no matter where these things happen or to whom so I challenge you to demonstrate how I am racist. It has been demonstrated time and time again that the British public en masse without question cares less about "different people" in "foreign places" than they do about people they feel they can relate to: i.e. Other brits, fellow Europeans, and US Americans.

Not everyone thinks like that. Obviously. But public outcry / outrage is far more muted when things happen "over there". It's indisputable.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Of course not. These are funny brown Christians, not normal British ones.

I don't say this to be racist or flippant. It's dispicable - but it's also the truth of why people care less.

I have to say I feel this way too.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Again - I cannot fault anything you're saying MTVN. I wish we hadn't interfered in Libya, or Iraq for that matter, and I know it's the classic 'Frankenstein complex; 'Man creates Monster, Monster turns on Man', but the very painful truth is that we did interfere, and we did create Monsters, and now the bestial rampage of those monsters has to be stopped.

We have to now deal with the effects of our mistakes, because it is too late to correct those mistakes, so no amount of self-flagellation through historic guilt will do any good.

I would say, that the West's leaders would do well to heed an old adage of mine, that; "a mistake we learn from is just an experience, a mistake we don't learn from becomes a bad habit". Or in this case, a very fatal one for many innocent people.

You're right it is too late to correct them but unless we acknowledge them we risk repeating them. The West seems notoriously slow to learn from its mistakes, and very prone to repeating them thinking that 'this time will be different', 'we'll do it right this time'. IMO the West is long overdue a critical re-evaluation of its foreign policy and not just in the Middle East, but I'm worried it won't happen. For clarity: that obviously does not mean that this or anything else done by IS in their reign of terror can be excused. It is a dark time for the world.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Of course not. These are funny brown Christians, not normal British ones.

I don't say this to be racist or flippant. It's dispicable - but it's also the truth of why people care less.

I think its more to do with the fact they are Christian, than anything else. If it happened to Muslims, social media and news channels would go mental. JMO, of course.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Chaos

I think its more to do with the fact they are Christian, than anything else. If it happened to Muslims, social media and news channels would go mental. JMO, of course.

U avvin a larf? ISIS are butchering scores of mostly Muslims constantly and it's barely reported at all! Certainly not in the tabloids. This only got a nod because it's Christians. But just a nod. Because like I said, foreign Johnny Christians not proper ones.