[Merry Mockmas]

The Tories can just **** off.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The Tories can just **** off.

What's wrong with wanting people to work if they can?

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

What's wrong with wanting people to work if they can?

Because the Tories are making it next to impossible for people to get jobs, thanks to their stupid Workfare schemes, the daylight robbery the call "Apprenticeships" and now they're planning on forcing people with jobs and benefits to look for a second job, or have them taken away.

All to artificially inflate the employment figures.

[Livia]

The thing I hear most often from young people leaving school/college/uni is that they can't get a job because they're told they have no experience, so how do they get experience if no one will give them a chance? Well, here's a chance to get some experience, maybe look at it like that. I know people who work in TV and did their internships for nothing in order to get experience, same in Parliament and I'm sure lots of other professions.

Apprenticeships are low paid. They have always been low paid, but you're learning a saleable skill. Of course, you could be at college or uni paying them for the privilege of getting a qualification.

Regarding Job Centres... I would vote for any party who shook up these places and made them work. They're terrible, soulless places full of people who would struggle to get employment outside the public sector because they have no people skills and flaunt the little power they have.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Livia

The thing I hear most often from young people leaving school/college/uni is that they can't get a job because they're told they have no experience, so how do they get experience if no one will give them a chance? Well, here's a chance to get some experience, maybe look at it like that. I know people who work in TV and did their internships for nothing in order to get experience, same in Parliament and I'm sure lots of other professions.

Apprenticeships are low paid. They have always been low paid, but you're learning a saleable skill. Of course, you could be at college or uni paying them for the privilege of getting a qualification.

Regarding Job Centres... I would vote for any party who shook up these places and made them work. They're terrible, soulless places full of people who would struggle to get employment outside the public sector because they have no people skills and flaunt the little power they have.

That is so true. Of course i have met some people who genuinely tried to help me at the Jobcentre, but most of them are on a power trip.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

That is so true. Of course i have met some people who genuinely tried to help me at the Jobcentre, but most of them are on a power trip.

I suppose it's like everything, the few good ones get overshadowed by the scores of useless ones.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Livia

I suppose it's like everything, the few good ones get overshadowed by the scores of useless ones.

Yes. It's wrong to take advantage of someone in a vulnerable position. They know you won't complain, so they can do what they want.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Livia

The thing I hear most often from young people leaving school/college/uni is that they can't get a job because they're told they have no experience, so how do they get experience if no one will give them a chance? Well, here's a chance to get some experience, maybe look at it like that. I know people who work in TV and did their internships for nothing in order to get experience, same in Parliament and I'm sure lots of other professions.

Apprenticeships are low paid. They have always been low paid, but you're learning a saleable skill. Of course, you could be at college or uni paying them for the privilege of getting a qualification.

Regarding Job Centres... I would vote for any party who shook up these places and made them work. They're terrible, soulless places full of people who would struggle to get employment outside the public sector because they have no people skills and flaunt the little power they have.

Old style apprenticeships were fine, they taught you decent skills that you wouldn't have had chance to learn otherwise. The ones I dislike are the ones like apprenticeships in Morrisons, all it is is a way to get people to do the same amount of work for less money.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Old style apprenticeships were fine, they taught you decent skills that you wouldn't have had chance to learn otherwise. The ones I dislike are the ones like apprenticeships in Morrisons, all it is is a way to get people to do the same amount of work for less money.

Got to agree. Using the term 'apprenticeship' for jobs like that just diminishes the word to be honest.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The Tories can just **** off.

You expressed my sentiments perfectly there Mock, I am ashamed at present that I ever would have supported them.

What is wrong with this is that if someone is unemployed between 18 to 21,for over 6 months they have to do work for their benefits.

What is wrong is that if the govt; of the day, no matter who it is,has not got the vacancies to accommodate the unemployed then no sanction should be put in place at all.

Talking to 18 to 21 year olds as if they were kids is just another example of this govts; arrogance and obsessed irrational vendetta as to those on benefits.
Of course create an environment where some work experience of a sort can be in place but this PM idiotically said, they could help prepeare meals for the elderly, things like community work.
I can tell you, the elderly will not want people thrust on them to make their meals or go into their homes to help care for them and do other chores.

To link this to, if they didn't, then they get no benefits is pathetic, okay, he did say or go into further education, well as long as they are helped to, then fine but even then, they should get an increased benefit if they do, not have threats to have benefits removed.

Force rarely ever works for the good when dealing with people,this govt; acts like a dicatatorship and almost describes 18 to 21 year olds as near inferior citizens.
To be forced and dictated to do the govts; bidding,'only' however if those 18 to 21 year olds are in the unfortunate postion of being unemployed.

Every time this PM opens his mouth it is to bring down and want to introduce another forced range of things on people who are down at the lowest end.
You never hear him say, any company that is not paying its full or any tax will be stopped from operating in the UK.

You never hear him say with the same gusto, any company not paying the minimum wage or a decent wage will get sanctions taken against them.
All he can do is bash the unemployed, sick, disabled and most vulnerable.

You know,I was thinking,you and I Mock, in 2010 when I first joined here, I recall both of us were Conservative sympathisers and saw a lot of right in their ideas at the time.
Whatever your political leanings are now is your affair, mine are well known, I think ,on here now and around all my circle off here too.

You have,like me, come to see the actual way this govt; has gone about dealing with welfare reform and its policies as to how it treats the sick, disabled and most vulnerable are unjust, wrong and more often than not totally heartless.

How I hope more and more come to feel that way and then choose to send this absolute heartless rabble off into the political wilderness for a fair time until they realise the wrongs, the discrimination, the victimisation, the demonisation and scapegoating they have allowed to form and grow as to the weakest and most vulnerable in the UK's society.

This PM,for me is the worst ever I'd say the UK has ever had,his heartless, extreme and often cruel Ministers are even worse.
He and they need to be got rid of and sharpish in my view.

New welfare reform plans need to be planned but ones that have fairness, understanding,'respect',(yes respect for the dignity of the individuals who are the weakest and most vulnerable), and 'compassion' at the heart of them, not this prejudicial,dictatorial and unjust rolling out of heartlessness that has been evident for the last 5 years almost now, and which will be disastrously carried on with even more force were the Conservatives ever to get an overall majority.

I hope that day never comes for this PM and this make up of this Conservative party.
Well said Mock in your one sentence above.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The Tories can just **** off.

^This

Rise like lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number-------
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you--------
Ye are many…they are few.
Ercy Bysshe Shelly The Call to Freedom.