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Nedusa · 19-02-2015, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

My emoticons represented a thousand words! The shocked emoticon was to represent my fear for your safety after stating such things. The latter emoticon, because I dream of the world that you imagine in that post. My problem isn't with religion, or the religious, you see... it's more what the entire concept represents. People who are fearful and want to be "told" and "comforted" rather than to think and wonder and just be amazed by the Universe and all of its mystery. And a world where people need a reason, or bribery (heaven) or blackmail (hell) or an instruction manual to be good and moral people instead of just being good and moral people because they want to be and because it is right and fair.

I dream of a world where people don't need a book or preachers or anything other than their own philosophies and imaginations to be good, and to be inspired.

Sadly, I don't think there will ever be a day where that happens entirely. I think mass religion will be around for a long time to come - although I guess maybe not in terms of the entirity of human history. Maybe 500 years? However, I think for as long as there are humans, there will be pockets of religion. Most likely viewed by most as strange cultists. Some people seem to need (completely) that direction and instruction, those predefined safety nets to fall back on. People offering "answers", eternal life and salvation will always be able to find someone to follow them. Because the Universe is too impossibly complex and multi-layered for us humans to ever know or understand... and some people are just not ok with that uncertainty. They want to know, they want an answer, they want "it's God".

Good Reply T.S........you speak a lot of sense, I too think people should take responsibility for their own existance and not look to delegate that responsibilty to people that peddle easy answers or solutions or promises of heavenly comforts.

We are all intelligent enough, evolved enough to understand that,as you say the Universe is multi layered and eternal and as such to assign such a marvellous thing to the work of a "God" is slightly defeatist and insulting to the Universe.

If religion is to survive it has to be transformed into a more of a belief in the cosmos and our place in it , what our place is and how we connect with the Universe and with each other. Not imagining we will all go to a place in the clouds and have all our desires granted where we will live on into eternity with our Creator....???? I mean with repect that is a lot of nonsense isn't it ?

I'm not anti religion per se but have issues with organised beliefs that connect us and control us more through a sense of fear and dread of the unknown.

user104658 · 19-02-2015, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

He is Muslim by birth, upbringing, and belief. There is no doubt there.

I don't know kirk, you can prove the first two claims and even state that he is by tradition and has a respect, or even bias, for Muslim culture using external evidence. I'm not saying I believe it, but it's valid to be able to claim to prove it. However, you can't state so certainly that he is "by belief", not unless the man outright makes such a statement. No one can know what his true beliefs are but the man himself. As LT says, he may well not truly believe in any of it (Islam, Christianity or any God at all), no matter what he has said or done outwardly.

the truth · 19-02-2015, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Nedusa

Good Reply T.S........you speak a lot of sense, I too think people should take responsibility for their own existance and not look to delegate that responsibilty to people that peddle easy answers or solutions or promises of heavenly comforts.

We are all intelligent enough, evolved enough to understand that,as you say the Universe is multi layered and eternal and as such to assign such a marvellous thing to the work of a "God" is slightly defeatist and insulting to the Universe.

If religion is to survive it has to be transformed into a more of a belief in the cosmos and our place in it , what our place is and how we connect with the Universe and with each other. Not imagining we will all go to a place in the clouds and have all our desires granted where we will live on into eternity with our Creator....???? I mean with repect that is a lot of nonsense isn't it ?

I'm not anti religion per se but have issues with organised beliefs that connect us and control us more through a sense of fear and dread of the unknown.

AGAIN YOU MAKE THE CATASTROPHIC MISTAKE OF LABELLING ALL RELIGIONS THE SAME...many people who are Christian for example are also scientists , in fact the majority of great scientists were religious...theyre totally separate subjects and they CAN co exist....many people believe in the symbolic allegorical meaning of religious texts, in particular Christians, you have all sorts of varieties such as agnostics too. Your post is patroninising twadlle, no offence

Crimson Dynamo · 19-02-2015, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by the truth

AGAIN YOU MAKE THE CATASTROPHIC MISTAKE OF LABELLING ALL RELIGIONS THE SAME...many people who are Christian for example are also scientists , in fact the majority of great scientists were religious...theyre totally separate subjects and they CAN co exist....many people believe in the symbolic allegorical meaning of religious texts, in particular Christians, you have all sorts of varieties such as agnostics too. Your post is patroninising twadlle, no offence

Not that old line again truth

you are confusing the fact that most people were religious (or said they were) in the 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th and 19th century

it was those great scientists who effectively killed religion in the 20th century

If you have the names of eminent 21st century scientists who are religionists then post them

Livia · 19-02-2015, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Nedusa

Good Reply T.S........you speak a lot of sense, I too think people should take responsibility for their own existance and not look to delegate that responsibilty to people that peddle easy answers or solutions or promises of heavenly comforts.

We are all intelligent enough, evolved enough to understand that,as you say the Universe is multi layered and eternal and as such to assign such a marvellous thing to the work of a "God" is slightly defeatist and insulting to the Universe.

If religion is to survive it has to be transformed into a more of a belief in the cosmos and our place in it , what our place is and how we connect with the Universe and with each other. Not imagining we will all go to a place in the clouds and have all our desires granted where we will live on into eternity with our Creator....???? I mean with repect that is a lot of nonsense isn't it ?

I'm not anti religion per se but have issues with organised beliefs that connect us and control us more through a sense of fear and dread of the unknown.

These issues you have... do you think they could be because you are looking at faith through atheist eyes and thereby filling in the gaps you don't understand?

I don't think religion needs to be transformed - apart from reigning in extremists and other newsworthy miscreants. And if it does need transformation of any kind, it doesn't need to be transformed by people with no faith.

Livia · 19-02-2015, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Not that old line again truth

you are confusing the fact that most people were religious (or said they were) in the 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th and 19th century

it was those great scientists who effectively killed religion in the 20th century

If you have the names of eminent 21st century scientists who are religionists then post them

My cousin the physicist. I'm not posting his name... but he's a religious scientist and he's not alone.

Crimson Dynamo · 19-02-2015, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

My cousin the physicist. I'm not posting his name... but he's a religious scientist and he's not alone.

Not alone but they wont make an effective gang if it kicked off

kirklancaster · 19-02-2015, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't know kirk, you can prove the first two claims and even state that he is by tradition and has a respect, or even bias, for Muslim culture using external evidence. I'm not saying I believe it, but it's valid to be able to claim to prove it. However, you can't state so certainly that he is "by belief", not unless the man outright makes such a statement. No one can know what his true beliefs are but the man himself. As LT says, he may well not truly believe in any of it (Islam, Christianity or any God at all), no matter what he has said or done outwardly.

Then we cannot know anyone. Obama has provided a wealth of evidence of where his beliefs are, from deliberate statements in support of Allah and the Quran, to 'Freudian' slips during interviews. This, in addition to the facts about his his birth, parents, upbringing, registration at two schools, documentary, photographic and video evidence, the testimony of those who know him, and some of the strange military decisions he has been responsible for concerning US initiatives in the war against IS, shape my conclusion T.S.

Obviously, others may disagree.

Nedusa · 19-02-2015, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by the truth

AGAIN YOU MAKE THE CATASTROPHIC MISTAKE OF LABELLING ALL RELIGIONS THE SAME...many people who are Christian for example are also scientists , in fact the majority of great scientists were religious...theyre totally separate subjects and they CAN co exist....many people believe in the symbolic allegorical meaning of religious texts, in particular Christians, you have all sorts of varieties such as agnostics too. Your post is patroninising twadlle, no offence

As patronising posts go.........I'd have to go a long long way to even get close to some of rabid rants you engage in.

Still everyone's entitled to their view.