[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Not the same one your..you're...you are

[user104658]

Meh. Maybe she does have an irrational fear / phobia of people with "black features". Phobias are many and varied, and to play devil's advocate, you can't just "decide" not to have a phobia. I wish that I wasn't racist about spiders, I really try, but then I see a spider and lose my **** every time. SO, she can't be "blamed" for her phobia - there's probably someone else who can be blamed for it (i.e. whoever presumably raised her on boogeyman tales about black people).

Howeveeerrr...

1) Should someone with an irrational fear or phobia of an ethnic group seek a career in politics or be accepted as a valid politician in a multi-racial country?

NOPE.


2) Does her choice of political allegiance and party membership speak volumes about UKIP?

Yup yup yup!

She felt like she would "fit in" at UKIP and find like-minded people. IMO, she was 100% right. Do you think for one second that her colleagues didn't know about her "fears" and opinions about black people before it came out in this documentary? It seems highly unlikely. She's been expelled because her views explicitly came out in public and UKIP, currently enjoying a bit of a membership boost, doesn't want to be seen as "extreme". She was not kicked out for holding those views in the first place.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Meh. Maybe she does have an irrational fear / phobia of people with "black features". Phobias are many and varied, and to play devil's advocate, you can't just "decide" not to have a phobia. I wish that I wasn't racist about spiders, I really try, but then I see a spider and lose my **** every time. SO, she can't be "blamed" for her phobia - there's probably someone else who can be blamed for it (i.e. whoever presumably raised her on boogeyman tales about black people).

Howeveeerrr...

1) Should someone with an irrational fear or phobia of an ethnic group seek a career in politics or be accepted as a valid politician in a multi-racial country?

NOPE.


2) Does her choice of political allegiance and party membership speak volumes about UKIP?

Yup yup yup!

She felt like she would "fit in" at UKIP and find like-minded people. IMO, she was 100% right. Do you think for one second that her colleagues didn't know about her "fears" and opinions about black people before it came out in this documentary? It seems highly unlikely. She's been expelled because her views explicitly came out in public and UKIP, currently enjoying a bit of a membership boost, doesn't want to be seen as "extreme". She was not kicked out for holding those views in the first place.

I totally agree with everything you say in the section which I have emboldened T.S - Totally agree.

I cannot however, agree with the rest. There is no more evidence that Farage or any of her UKIP colleagues in authority knew about her cretinous views, than there is evidence that Cameron or Milliband were aware of Rifkind or Straw's inclinations, or many of the party leaders in the historical list in my earlier post were aware of all their respective members immoral, unethical, or downright criminal predilections and acts.

All views are subjective, but no matter how we may perceive Farage and/or UKIP, the clear facts remain that he is not thus far guilty of any racism, not proposed any racist policies, and has actually not only spoken out against such, but backed that up by denying known racists membership of his party, and by expelling any members that subsequently prove to be racist.

Until Farage actually is in a position of power and until he actually uses such power to implement racists policies into our constitution, then all unfounded allegations against him and all theorising, are mere 'spin' - but the same cannot be said about the well documented historical facts about the many, many failings of the main political parties and their many, many, corrupt members.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I totally agree with everything you say in the section which I have emboldened T.S - Totally agree.

I cannot however, agree with the rest. There is no more evidence that Farage or any of her UKIP colleagues in authority knew about her cretinous views, than there is evidence that Cameron or Milliband were aware of Rifkind or Straw's inclinations, or many of the party leaders in the historical list in my earlier post were aware of all their respective members immoral, unethical, or downright criminal predilections and acts.

All views are subjective, but no matter how we may perceive Farage and/or UKIP, the clear facts remain that he is not thus far guilty of any racism, not proposed any racist policies, and has actually not only spoken out against such, but backed that up by denying known racists membership of his party, and by expelling any members that subsequently prove to be racist.

Until Farage actually is in a position of power and until he actually uses such power to implement racists policies into our constitution, then all unfounded allegations against him and all theorising, are mere 'spin' - but the same cannot be said about the well documented historical facts about the many, many failings of the main political parties and their many, many, corrupt members.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I totally agree with everything you say in the section which I have emboldened T.S - Totally agree.

I cannot however, agree with the rest. There is no more evidence that Farage or any of her UKIP colleagues in authority knew about her cretinous views, than there is evidence that Cameron or Milliband were aware of Rifkind or Straw's inclinations, or many of the party leaders in the historical list in my earlier post were aware of all their respective members immoral, unethical, or downright criminal predilections and acts.

All views are subjective, but no matter how we may perceive Farage and/or UKIP, the clear facts remain that he is not thus far guilty of any racism, not proposed any racist policies, and has actually not only spoken out against such, but backed that up by denying known racists membership of his party, and by expelling any members that subsequently prove to be racist.

Until Farage actually is in a position of power and until he actually uses such power to implement racists policies into our constitution, then all unfounded allegations against him and all theorising, are mere 'spin' - but the same cannot be said about the well documented historical facts about the many, many failings of the main political parties and their many, many, corrupt members.

I think that the powers that be have done a sterling job in slowly tarnishing the UKIP brand, it wouldn't surprise me if half the so called UKIP councillors were not in fact paid by person or persons unknown to get involved with UKIP simply so their right wing leanings could be exposed at a later date.

This party cannot be allowed to gain traction so says the official line, it must be seen to be tainted so we will help it on it's way with scandal after scandal in the hope that voters will be put off by their apparent right wing image.

So maybe many polls will start to show diminishing support for UKIP but this is based on voter feedback I would hope in the actual ballot booth voters still put their X in the UKIP space.

Our Political establishment must listen to us , we vote them in to do our bidding not to dictate what is best for us. It looks like they pass laws that are best for them and their paymasters - this has to stop and if UKIP can provide a short sharp shock then fine by me.

[arista]

This story has gone now
its the 2 old MPs all week now

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by arista

This story has gone now
its the 2 old MPs all week now

Yes Arista, I agree, and this new scandal story will 'run' and 'run'.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by arista

This story has gone now
its the 2 old MPs all week now

No it hasnt gone arista it doesnt just end when you decide.
Over 5000 complaints were received about the C4 program UKIP:The first 100 days.
Well it turns out that a large portion of those complaints were generated by an email template from UKIPS far right buddies and BNP spin off party Britain first.
https://www.britainfirst.org/campaigns/

Far-right group orchestrated email campaign over Ukip TV drama
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...P=share_btn_tw

The kippers and Britain first in bed together. They deserve each other.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bobnot

No it hasnt gone arista it doesnt just end when you decide.
Over 5000 complaints were received about the C4 program UKIP:The first 100 days.
Well it turns out that a large portion of those complaints were generated by an email template from UKIPS far right buddies and BNP spin off party Britain first.
https://www.britainfirst.org/campaigns/

Far-right group orchestrated email campaign over Ukip TV drama
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...P=share_btn_tw

The kippers and Britain first in bed together. They deserve each other.

"A councillor expelled by Ukip "

what part of the above are you having trouble with?

[billy123]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"A councillor expelled by Ukip "

what part of the above are you having trouble with?

Umm the TV show in my post had nothing to do with any of the many expelled councillors
Bless you! Im not sure what part of that you are having trouble with.
Oh dear.
Maybe the inability to understand or read is a trait of kippers it would explain a lot.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Umm the TV show in my post had nothing to do with any of the many expelled councillors
Bless you! Im not sure what part of that you are having trouble with.
Oh dear.
Maybe the inability to understand or read is a trait of kippers it would explain a lot.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Umm the TV show in my post had nothing to do with any of the many expelled councillors
Bless you! Im not sure what part of that you are having trouble with.
Oh dear.
Maybe the inability to understand or read is a trait of kippers it would explain a lot.

No, you said to Arista that this story has not gone now and Arista was right, it has and is old news

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bobnot

No it hasnt gone arista it doesnt just end when you decide.
Over 5000 complaints were received about the C4 program UKIP:The first 100 days.
Well it turns out that a large portion of those complaints were generated by an email template from UKIPS far right buddies and BNP spin off party Britain first.
https://www.britainfirst.org/campaigns/

Far-right group orchestrated email campaign over Ukip TV drama
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...P=share_btn_tw

The kippers and Britain first in bed together. They deserve each other.

Even if the figures can be proved - and according to the linked article the Guardian could not provide such proof - it still leaves almost 3,000 complaints which we must deem then to be genuine and from members of the viewing public, so while the template is an indictment of the BNP's & Britain First's unethical manipulations, the remainder of the protests received are a reflection of the genuine umbrage felt by the public at what they perceived to be a program which was totally prejudiced against UKIP.

And there is nothing to say either, of course, that Farage knew about such shady practices, was complicit in them, or even wanted or welcomed them.

Do not Far Right racist groups align themselves to the Conservative party and support them? Do not Extreme Left Wing Groups align themselves the Labour Party and support them? This does not mean that Cameron or Milliband are aware of it, or that they want or welcome it.

So there is no evidence that Farage and UKIP are really "in bed" with the BNP or Britain First.

These idiots will support whichever party has a manifesto closer to their own ideologies no matter how tenuous such a closeness is, simply because they cannot ever attain power themselves.

I don't agree with any party's manifesto in its entirety, but come Election Day, I will be forced to opt for the one party whose policies come closest to reflecting my own ideology - even if it means some other of their policies are less than ideal.

As I say, up to now, Farage has done nothing to compel that he is a racist or has racist intentions once - and if - he ever does come to power, no matter how others perceive his guilt by association because of their own rigid ideology and prejudices.

The same cannot be said for the other parties which have secreted among their members and MP's every conceivable kind of self-seeker, and pervert and deviant and cheat known to man - including covert racists - as history attests.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I see Rifkind has resigned

Still lets keep on about ex councillors

[billy123]

Starting a new thread every time kippers leave their racist views hanging out of their panty liners would be a tiresome and board consuming exercise.
Maybe a big old UKIP bigotry thread would be better?

They have dropped to their biggest low in the polls in their history since they agreed to be recorded. Surely this must concern kippers??
Dont you want to talk about it??

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Starting a new thread every time kippers leave their racist views hanging out of their panty liners would be a tiresome and board consuming exercise.
Maybe a big old UKIP bigotry thread would be better?

They have dropped to their biggest low in the polls in their history since they agreed to be recorded. Surely this must concern kippers??
Dont you want to talk about it??

It would help immensely Bobnot if you identified just who are addressing. for me personally, I don't mind talking about any issues, and by the part which I have emboldened, do you mean "kippers" (I like that word ) as in UKIP party representatives leaving their racist views out to dry? Or do you mean those of us on here who have the courage not to follow what is merely the populist view, in favour of posting rational, detached and balanced views which see some merit in Farage and UKIP's policies? If it is the latter, supporting UKIP does not make us racist.

In fact, the real racists are really those who bend over backwards to be seen to be - misguidedly and fanatically - supporting an 'Open Door' immigration policy when such a policy is irreparably damaging to the security of this great country, utterly devastating to an economy which already is near to collapse, and critically overloading our already overwhelmed services like our Police, NHS, Housing, and Employment, because such madness is racist against the indegenous population of this country - and by indegenous, I include immigrants born here, as well as those already here, a lot of whom are also opposed to continued unfettered immigration.

Like an egg in a French batter recipe; an oeuf is an oeuf.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Starting a new thread every time kippers leave their racist views hanging out of their panty liners would be a tiresome and board consuming exercise.
Maybe a big old UKIP bigotry thread would be better?

They have dropped to their biggest low in the polls in their history since they agreed to be recorded. Surely this must concern kippers??
Dont you want to talk about it??

I wonder if that's where the phrase ' done up like a kipper comes from?'

[billy123]

Brush Brush Brush! Shhhhhh

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Brush Brush Brush! Shhhhhh

Sincere thanks for illustrating just how the Tories, Labour and Liberals have a long history of sweeping the crooks and deviants in their parties under the carpet.

Very helpful.

[Crimson Dynamo]

lol

like the tories are not jam packed full of racists and labour of socialists on their ipads doing their shopping at John Lewis


and liberals er, well

do they actually exist?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just watched Meet the Ukippers

salt of the earth people trying to effect change

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Just watched Meet the Ukippers

salt of the earth people trying to effect change

[Northern Monkey]

Tbh i'm sure all the parties have racists hidden within them.UKIP's just getting all the attention now because they're the next big thing in politics atm and are scaring the life out of the older parties.It'll die down after the election when all the political sniping toward all parties calms down a little.
Atleast UKIP are dealing with it and getting rid of the ignorant people they find in their party.
God knows how many closet racists are lurking in all the political parties and go unchecked.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Tbh i'm sure all the parties have racists hidden within them.UKIP's just getting all the attention now because they're the next big thing in politics atm and are scaring the life out of the older parties.It'll die down after the election when all the political sniping toward all parties calms down a little.
Atleast UKIP are dealing with it and getting rid of the ignorant people they find in their party.
God knows how many closet racists are lurking in all the political parties and go unchecked.

Exactly.