[user104658]

Meh. Maybe she does have an irrational fear / phobia of people with "black features". Phobias are many and varied, and to play devil's advocate, you can't just "decide" not to have a phobia. I wish that I wasn't racist about spiders, I really try, but then I see a spider and lose my **** every time. SO, she can't be "blamed" for her phobia - there's probably someone else who can be blamed for it (i.e. whoever presumably raised her on boogeyman tales about black people).

Howeveeerrr...

1) Should someone with an irrational fear or phobia of an ethnic group seek a career in politics or be accepted as a valid politician in a multi-racial country?

NOPE.


2) Does her choice of political allegiance and party membership speak volumes about UKIP?

Yup yup yup!

She felt like she would "fit in" at UKIP and find like-minded people. IMO, she was 100% right. Do you think for one second that her colleagues didn't know about her "fears" and opinions about black people before it came out in this documentary? It seems highly unlikely. She's been expelled because her views explicitly came out in public and UKIP, currently enjoying a bit of a membership boost, doesn't want to be seen as "extreme". She was not kicked out for holding those views in the first place.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Meh. Maybe she does have an irrational fear / phobia of people with "black features". Phobias are many and varied, and to play devil's advocate, you can't just "decide" not to have a phobia. I wish that I wasn't racist about spiders, I really try, but then I see a spider and lose my **** every time. SO, she can't be "blamed" for her phobia - there's probably someone else who can be blamed for it (i.e. whoever presumably raised her on boogeyman tales about black people).

Howeveeerrr...

1) Should someone with an irrational fear or phobia of an ethnic group seek a career in politics or be accepted as a valid politician in a multi-racial country?

NOPE.


2) Does her choice of political allegiance and party membership speak volumes about UKIP?

Yup yup yup!

She felt like she would "fit in" at UKIP and find like-minded people. IMO, she was 100% right. Do you think for one second that her colleagues didn't know about her "fears" and opinions about black people before it came out in this documentary? It seems highly unlikely. She's been expelled because her views explicitly came out in public and UKIP, currently enjoying a bit of a membership boost, doesn't want to be seen as "extreme". She was not kicked out for holding those views in the first place.

I totally agree with everything you say in the section which I have emboldened T.S - Totally agree.

I cannot however, agree with the rest. There is no more evidence that Farage or any of her UKIP colleagues in authority knew about her cretinous views, than there is evidence that Cameron or Milliband were aware of Rifkind or Straw's inclinations, or many of the party leaders in the historical list in my earlier post were aware of all their respective members immoral, unethical, or downright criminal predilections and acts.

All views are subjective, but no matter how we may perceive Farage and/or UKIP, the clear facts remain that he is not thus far guilty of any racism, not proposed any racist policies, and has actually not only spoken out against such, but backed that up by denying known racists membership of his party, and by expelling any members that subsequently prove to be racist.

Until Farage actually is in a position of power and until he actually uses such power to implement racists policies into our constitution, then all unfounded allegations against him and all theorising, are mere 'spin' - but the same cannot be said about the well documented historical facts about the many, many failings of the main political parties and their many, many, corrupt members.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I totally agree with everything you say in the section which I have emboldened T.S - Totally agree.

I cannot however, agree with the rest. There is no more evidence that Farage or any of her UKIP colleagues in authority knew about her cretinous views, than there is evidence that Cameron or Milliband were aware of Rifkind or Straw's inclinations, or many of the party leaders in the historical list in my earlier post were aware of all their respective members immoral, unethical, or downright criminal predilections and acts.

All views are subjective, but no matter how we may perceive Farage and/or UKIP, the clear facts remain that he is not thus far guilty of any racism, not proposed any racist policies, and has actually not only spoken out against such, but backed that up by denying known racists membership of his party, and by expelling any members that subsequently prove to be racist.

Until Farage actually is in a position of power and until he actually uses such power to implement racists policies into our constitution, then all unfounded allegations against him and all theorising, are mere 'spin' - but the same cannot be said about the well documented historical facts about the many, many failings of the main political parties and their many, many, corrupt members.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I totally agree with everything you say in the section which I have emboldened T.S - Totally agree.

I cannot however, agree with the rest. There is no more evidence that Farage or any of her UKIP colleagues in authority knew about her cretinous views, than there is evidence that Cameron or Milliband were aware of Rifkind or Straw's inclinations, or many of the party leaders in the historical list in my earlier post were aware of all their respective members immoral, unethical, or downright criminal predilections and acts.

All views are subjective, but no matter how we may perceive Farage and/or UKIP, the clear facts remain that he is not thus far guilty of any racism, not proposed any racist policies, and has actually not only spoken out against such, but backed that up by denying known racists membership of his party, and by expelling any members that subsequently prove to be racist.

Until Farage actually is in a position of power and until he actually uses such power to implement racists policies into our constitution, then all unfounded allegations against him and all theorising, are mere 'spin' - but the same cannot be said about the well documented historical facts about the many, many failings of the main political parties and their many, many, corrupt members.

I think that the powers that be have done a sterling job in slowly tarnishing the UKIP brand, it wouldn't surprise me if half the so called UKIP councillors were not in fact paid by person or persons unknown to get involved with UKIP simply so their right wing leanings could be exposed at a later date.

This party cannot be allowed to gain traction so says the official line, it must be seen to be tainted so we will help it on it's way with scandal after scandal in the hope that voters will be put off by their apparent right wing image.

So maybe many polls will start to show diminishing support for UKIP but this is based on voter feedback I would hope in the actual ballot booth voters still put their X in the UKIP space.

Our Political establishment must listen to us , we vote them in to do our bidding not to dictate what is best for us. It looks like they pass laws that are best for them and their paymasters - this has to stop and if UKIP can provide a short sharp shock then fine by me.