[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

That is my point too, it is said Iran said this a good while ago, however I saw no condemnation from inside Iran when it was said.

Hey, faced with trusting Israel or Iran, then I would take Israel any day of the week.

While I can also agree in part with Nedusa,(and by the way I don't cherry pick what I say either),that Israel has committed wrongs as to the Palestinian people, it is easy to condemn Israel for that while then choosing to turn a blind eye to the more extreme elements as to the Palestinians inflicting,even at times unprovoked, attacks on ordinary citizens of Israel too.

Maybe more needs to be done as to the Palestinian issue with Israel,meanwhile in addition to that,Israel still has so many hostile nations around it.
Israel has to be able to stand up for itself, it has every right not to be just walked over too.

Make no mistake nobody.......and I repeat Nobody walks over Israel, 6 Billion Dollars a year from the US all the advanced weaponry that the US has and over 200 thermonuclear warheads makes sure that Israel is never walked all over.

That really isn't the problem tbh.... the problem is that Israel uses this victim mentality to ensure they can pretty much do what they want to the Palestinians, I could spend hours here listing atrocity after atrocity that has been bestowed on the Palestinian people. Their tragedy is of Biblical proportions yet no one in the West seems to give a fig about their plight.

It is sickening and disgraceful and the US must take a large portion of the blame as it gives massive financial aid , advanced weaponry, intelligence, logistics and has allowed Israel to amass the 6th largest Nuclear weapons stockpile in the world (Allegedly).

The US uses its position to support Israel at all levels, it vetos UN resolution after UN resolution allowing Israel to commit mass murder and Genocide whenever it feels "threatened"

The state of Israel is a blight on this planet and there will never be peace in the Middle East until Israel accepts it must make reparations to the Palestinians for the initial land grab and decades of murderous enslavement that has followed.

Israel must stop this war mentality and make a lasting peace and reach a settlement with the Palestinians and its Arab neighbours.

The US could push this process along if it wished but it does nothing but continue the Status quo. It is a truly shocking spectacle to witness.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Make no mistake nobody.......and I repeat Nobody walks over Israel, 6 Billion Dollars a year from the US all the advanced weaponry that the US has and over 200 thermonuclear warheads makes sure that Israel is never walked all over.

That really isn't the problem tbh.... the problem is that Israel uses this victim mentality to ensure they can pretty much do what they want to the Palestinians, I could spend hours here listing atrocity after atrocity that has been bestowed on the Palestinian people. Their tragedy is of Biblical proportions yet no one in the West seems to give a fig about their plight.

It is sickening and disgraceful and the US must take a large portion of the blame as it gives massive financial aid , advanced weaponry, intelligence, logistics and has allowed Israel to amass the 6th largest Nuclear weapons stockpile in the world (Allegedly).

The US uses its position to support Israel at all levels, it vetos UN resolution after UN resolution allowing Israel to commit mass murder and Genocide whenever it feels "threatened"

The state of Israel is a blight on this planet and there will never be peace in the Middle East until Israel accepts it must make reparations to the Palestinians for the initial land grab and decades of murderous enslavement that has followed.

Israel must stop this war mentality and make a lasting peace and reach a settlement with the Palestinians and its Arab neighbours.

The US could push this process along if it wished but it does nothing but continue the Status quo. It is a truly shocking spectacle to witness.

I think that,to be fair, is a rather inflammatory statement.
Furthermore, no one should be able to walk over Israel,no way.

I can agree it could help to get a solution to the Palestinian issue but I actually feel the USA and to a degree the UK too have failed to really come up with a satisfactory outcome to the negotiations as to that.

I could never agree that Israel is a blight on the planet,There are likely a majority of Israeli's in Israel who would love to be able to exist in peace and not have threats of war going on all the time as to it.

With respect too, even with a Palestinian solution between Israel and the Palestinians,I very much doubt that will stop the tensions in the main in the Middle East as to countries like Iran,who are against Israel even being there at all.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think that,to be fair, is a rather inflammatory statement.
Furthermore, no one should be able to walk over Israel,no way.

I can agree it could help to get a solution to the Palestinian issue but I actually feel the USA and to a degree the UK too have failed to really come up with a satisfactory outcome to the negotiations as to that.

I could never agree that Israel is a blight on the planet,There are likely a majority of Israeli's in Israel who would love to be able to exist in peace and not have threats of war going on all the time as to it.

With respect too, even with a Palestinian solution between Israel and the Palestinians,I very much doubt that will stop the tensions in the main in the Middle East as to countries like Iran,who are against Israel even being there at all.

The way Israel is governed is tantamount to an apartheid state like pre Mandela South africa. The Palestinian Israelis are treated like 2nd class citizens and the Palestinians are treated worse than animals.

And funnily enough they are all semites so have no grounds for being racist.

Fact is Israel are not willing to allow Muslims to share any power in "their" land even if it was stolen from the Palestinians in the first place.

Ordinary Israelis are apologists for their Govt's they know deep down they are living on stolen land and know they have to support their Govt and it's armies to keep the status quo.

America knows it must support Israel financially and politically to keep Israel as the only Hegemon in the area so the US has an ally on the ground so to speak. It's all politics really but tell that to the innocent Palestinians who are brutalised daily and for decades. not much fun for them.

This is why Israel is hated by most if not all Arab Countries and Countries with Shiite populations like Iran.

This is why the US is hated in equal measure because they prop up this illegal state.

When people condone Israel and lay the blame at Hamas or Hezbollah they are showing extreme ignorance and don't want to see the truth that is right in front of their faces.

so yes the "tensions" as you put it will take years if not decades to subside because the damage done to generations of Palestinian families will take that long to be repaired.