[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No, I won't bother I think I got the measure of it the first time.

OK............glad we sorted that out

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How is that contradictory? They can think what they like obviously it's their own heads lol that doesn't mean that those thoughts aren't homophobic

I think it's a given that you feel that his religious interpretation is homophobic, the fact is he's done nothing illegal it's his view and his right to work for who he likes based on this.
In effect he's done nothing wrong.

[Tom4784]

Discrimination is discrimination, It shouldn't be allowed or tolerated. Religion is not an excuse, it's an optional belief system. If you choose to believe that being gay is wrong then you are a bigot, people who use religion to justify their ****ty views and attitudes deserve what they'll get.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I think it's a given that you feel that his religious interpretation is homophobic, the fact is he's done nothing illegal it's his view and his right to work for who he likes based on this.
In effect he's done nothing wrong.

But he has done something illegal according to Irish law imo

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Equality_FAQ
1. What discrimination is unlawful under Irish equality legislation?

Irish equality legislation prohibits direct and indirect discrimination in the area of employment and in the supply of and access to goods, facilities and services, on any of the following nine grounds - gender, marital status, family status, sexual orientation, religion, age, disability, race or membership of the Traveller community.

Discrimination in the area of employment is prohibited by the Employment Equality Acts 1998 and 2004. The Acts cover all aspects of work including recruitment and promotion, the right to equal pay, conditions of employment, training or experience. If you are an employee, or trying to get a job and you feel you are discriminated against unlawfully, on any of the nine prohibited grounds, you can make a claim under these Acts.

Discrimination outside the workplace is prohibited by the Equal Status Acts 2000 to 2004. If you are trying to access goods or services and you feel you are discriminated against unlawfully, on any of the nine prohibited grounds, you can make a claim under these Acts. They cover many different goods and services, including access to a place, facilities for banking, entertainment, cultural activities or transport, professional or trade services, health services, access to education and accommodation.

The Equality Authority is tasked with providing information and advice to any person who feels that he or she has been discriminated against on any of the grounds covered in the equality legislation, whether in an employment or non-employment area.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Discrimination is discrimination, It shouldn't be allowed or tolerated. Religion is not an excuse, it's an optional belief system. If you choose to believe that being gay is wrong then you are a bigot, people who use religion to justify their ****ty views and attitudes deserve what they'll get.

[T*]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Discrimination is discrimination, It shouldn't be allowed or tolerated. Religion is not an excuse, it's an optional belief system. If you choose to believe that being gay is wrong then you are a bigot, people who use religion to justify their ****ty views and attitudes deserve what they'll get.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

But he has done something illegal according to Irish law imo

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Equality_FAQ
1. What discrimination is unlawful under Irish equality legislation?

Irish equality legislation prohibits direct and indirect discrimination in the area of employment and in the supply of and access to goods, facilities and services, on any of the following nine grounds - gender, marital status, family status, sexual orientation, religion, age, disability, race or membership of the Traveller community.

Discrimination in the area of employment is prohibited by the Employment Equality Acts 1998 and 2004. The Acts cover all aspects of work including recruitment and promotion, the right to equal pay, conditions of employment, training or experience. If you are an employee, or trying to get a job and you feel you are discriminated against unlawfully, on any of the nine prohibited grounds, you can make a claim under these Acts.

Discrimination outside the workplace is prohibited by the Equal Status Acts 2000 to 2004. If you are trying to access goods or services and you feel you are discriminated against unlawfully, on any of the nine prohibited grounds, you can make a claim under these Acts. They cover many different goods and services, including access to a place, facilities for banking, entertainment, cultural activities or transport, professional or trade services, health services, access to education and accommodation.

The Equality Authority is tasked with providing information and advice to any person who feels that he or she has been discriminated against on any of the grounds covered in the equality legislation, whether in an employment or non-employment area.

Depends on whether you view sexual orientation or religious belief as a motivating factor....

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Depends on whether you view sexual orientation or religious belief as a motivating factor....

Well not really, the law says prohibits direct and indirect discrimination in the area of employment and in the supply of and access to goods, facilities and services the only person who was refused a service was the gay man who was told by the printer that it was because he was gay, seems quite clear to me

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Discrimination is discrimination, It shouldn't be allowed or tolerated. Religion is not an excuse, it's an optional belief system. If you choose to believe that being gay is wrong then you are a bigot, people who use religion to justify their ****ty views and attitudes deserve what they'll get.

quite right

they are using their interpretation of a book they think gives them some sort of status in life to hate on others

[Jessica.]

bwoty is hard to say

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well not really, the law says prohibits direct and indirect discrimination in the area of employment and in the supply of and access to goods, facilities and services the only person who was refused a service was the gay man who was told by the printer that it was because he was gay, seems quite clear to me

Well yes really, I'm sure that would refer to a third party and not as it's you personally that is the service, and your religious beliefs that create the issue.
I can't see it as that black or white.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well yes really, I'm sure that would refer to a third party and not as it's you personally that is the service, and your religious beliefs that create the issue.
I can't see it as that black or white.

How do you mean a third party?

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Marsh.]

Why is he marrying his dad?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Why is he marrying his dad?

stephen fry teas

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How do you mean a third party?

I mean anyone providing the services of someone else for someone else.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I mean anyone providing the services of someone else for someone else.

Providing the services of some one else for someone else? Like how? Could you give me an example? It seemed pretty clear to me that a business (like this printers) couldn't refuse their services to a person based on their sexuality ( like this guy)

[Glenn.]

We, at Beulah Print, are Bible-believing Christians who are committed to standing by our conscience and God’s Word.

“We have never hidden our faith from our customers and represent the gospel at every opportunity. We are not against homosexuals however, we do not support same sex marriage, which printing wedding invitations would do.

“We believe the love of God is extended to all people and that He has called us all to walk in the light of His word, for He is the way, the truth and the life.”

Crap like this is the reason we have war in the world.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Crap like this is the reason we have war in the world.

'We're not homophobic, we just don't want the gays to have equal rights.'

[T*]

this is disgusting
i can't believe this is being defended by people going 'they're just sticking to their religion, thats all!!!!1' when if this happened to someone because, say, their skin colour or nationality there would be more massive outrage

[T*]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

'We're not homophobic, we just don't want the gays to have equal rights.'

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Providing the services of some one else for someone else? Like how? Could you give me an example? It seemed pretty clear to me that a business (like this printers) couldn't refuse their services to a person based on their sexuality ( like this guy)

I mean if you were a company representative for example.

[Glenn.]

I've just read the first few pages of this and I can't believe people are defending it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I mean if you were a company representative for example.

And what makes you think that's what the law was referring to?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And what makes you think that's what the law was referring to?

You asked for an example and I gave one.

As religious observance is the reason as stated I feel it would be harder to enforce any law seeing as that is also protected under the same law.