[joeysteele]

I don't think he was responsible for their deaths, after reading man books on this subject,I actually would lean more to Henry V11, he had more to lose with the Princes being still alive.
The Tudors were all, with the exception of the boy King, Edward V1,in my view, paranoid crackpots.

I think Richard 111 has been cruelly treated by historians and that he was likely far from the moster they depict him to be.

This is fantastic to watch,in my view, today and it is fitting at last that he is getting a decent, dignified service and send off that befits a warrior King.
I really wish I had nbeen able to be in Leicester today to wtiness this procession.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't think he was responsible for their deaths, after reading man books on this subject,I actually would lean more to Henry V11, he had more to lose with the Princes being still alive.
The Tudors were all, with the exception of the boy King, Edward V1,in my view, paranoid crackpots.

I think Richard 111 has been cruelly treated by historians and that he was likely far from the monster they depict him to be.

This is fantastic to watch,in my view, today and it is fitting at last that he is getting a decent, dignified service and send off that befits a warrior King.
I really wish I had been able to be in Leicester today to witness this procession.

You would say that
Get Off The Fence


And Why did his Knights not Protect him?

Set Up

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

You would say that
Get Off The Fence


And Why did his Knights not Protect him?

Set Up

For goodness sake, where is that being on the fence, I say he didn't kill them or order it either, I believe Henry Tudor did it when he usurped the throne.
They were all that were left of the Yorkist line, it would have been folly for Richard to have actually killed them.

Anyway, I am not on the fence at all,actually not on anything.
I think your view of people sitting on fences is distorted slightly, with full respect.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

For goodness sake, where is that being on the fence, I say he didn't kill them or order it either, I believe Henry Tudor did it when he usurped the throne.
They were all that were left of the Yorklist line, it would have been folly for Richard to have actually killed them.

Anyway, I am not on the fence at all,actually not on anything.
I think your view of people sitting on fences is distorted slightly, with full respect.

Bollocks
I Distort Feck All


Tudor he was in France the Dirty Bugger

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

For goodness sake, where is that being on the fence, I say he didn't kill them or order it either, I believe Henry Tudor did it when he usurped the throne.
They were all that were left of the Yorkist line, it would have been folly for Richard to have actually killed them.

Anyway, I am not on the fence at all,actually not on anything.
I think your view of people sitting on fences is distorted slightly, with full respect.

I agree. It served Richards purpose better to have the boys alive. Richard and Anne only had one son and only him after years of trying to have children and he was ailing. Richard knew that the House of Lancaster would take over as soon as he died.
IF the princes in the tower were murdered and not smuggled away into hiding, then look to the House of Lancaster and Margaret in particular, whose ambition for her Lancastrian son was obsessive.
King Richard 111 deserves to be buried at York where he was loved or in Westminster.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

I agree. It served Richards purpose better to have the boys alive. Richard and Anne only had one son and only him after years of trying to have children and he was ailing. Richard knew that the House of Lancaster would take over as soon as he died.
IF the princes in the tower were murdered and not smuggled away into hiding, then look to the House of Lancaster and Margaret in particular, whose ambition for her Lancastrian son was obsessive.
King Richard 111 deserves to be buried at York where he was loved or in Westminster.

I went down to Leicester Monday and Tuesday, got to file past the coffin, what a fantastic feeling it was.
Talking to so many people and the atmosphere despite long delays in getting through the Cathedral was just amazing.

I agree York would have been a more fitting permanent place for the King to be buried in,I feel sure it is where he would have chosen too.

Really fantastic event this is this week.
Much more of what he should have been given and a fitting tribute to him too at last.
One in the eye for the Tudors too, for Richard 111 to now be commemorated and have this respect and passion from so many citizens today, oozing for him all these centuries later.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I went down to Leicester Monday and Tuesday, got to file past the coffin, what a fantastic feeling it was.
Talking to so many people and the atmosphere despite long delays in getting through the Cathedral was just amazing.

I agree York would have been a more fitting permanent place for the King to be buried in,I feel sure it is where he would have chosen too.

Really fantastic event this is this week.
Much more of what he should have been given and a fitting tribute to him too at last.
One in the eye for the Tudors too, for Richard 111 to now be commemorated and have this respect and passion from so many citizens today, oozing for him all these centuries later.

Lucky you. I wish I could have been there. And yes, I agree, a fitting tribute at long last.