[Santa's NaughtiNess]

In the press conference the prosecutor blamed the co pilot.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

In the press conference the prosecutor blamed the co pilot.

Pretty sure the captain identified himself while trying to gain access.

[Kizzy]

Lufthansa press conference summary

Heres a summary of the Lufthansa press conference, largely given by the company chief executive, Carsten Spohr.

Lufthansa confirmed that co-pilot Andreas Lubitz appeared to have prevented the captain from re-entering the cabin after a toilet break, and placed the Airbus A320 into the dive that resulted in the crash that killed all 150 on board.
Spohr said the company was in complete shock. It was “beyond our worst nightmare”, he told reporters in Cologne. “It leaves us absolutely speechless,” he said. “I wouldn’t not have been able to imagine that the situation would have got even worse.”
Spohr said that despite the disaster, Lufthansa had full confidence in its training and pilot screening procedures. These would nevertheless be reviewed, he said.
Unlike in the US, European regulations do not provide for two people to be in the cockpit at all times, Spohr said. Lufthansa does not voluntarily implement such a protocol, and Spohr said that he is not aware of any of the company’s competitors that have such a procedure.
Spohr said that it appears the captain punched in the emergency number into the cockpit door to gain entry, but the co-pilot deployed the five-minute over-ride. He said that, irrespective of all the sophisticated safety devices, “you can never exclude such an individual event”, adding “no system in the world could manage to do that”.
Asked about the theory that the co-pilot killed himself, he demurred. “We can only speculate what might have been the motivation of the co-pilot. In a company that prides itself on its safety record, this is a shock. We select cockpit personnel carefully.”


http://www.theguardian.com/world/liv...updates-4u9525

[arista]

The One Special Switch
that Evil Pilot had was "Lock" the 3rd position
that blocks all coded entrance
to prevent a 9/11 type take over.


This pilot
had a change in his Life
no way could they have known
it would become this mass murder and death

[Ninastar]

so it was done on purpose??? jesus christ

[bots]

The rather sad irony in all this is that it was changes with respect to terrorism that allowed this to happen. Before 9/11 they would simply have opened the door

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The rather sad irony in all this is that it was changes with respect to terrorism that allowed this to happen. Before 9/11 they would simply have opened the door

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The rather sad irony in all this is that it was changes with respect to terrorism that allowed this to happen. Before 9/11 they would simply have opened the door

I think generally speaking its probably safer to have a door that locks though

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The rather sad irony in all this is that it was changes with respect to terrorism that allowed this to happen. Before 9/11 they would simply have opened the door

No they had a lever hidden
so not simple

before 9/11

But the 9/11 crew had been testing planes
in Florida
before the event

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think generally speaking its probably safer to have a door that locks though

the best way forward
is every time a Pilot comes out
another staff member goes in
to stay with the pilot
until the other pilot returns

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by arista

the best way forward
is every time a Pilot comes out
another staff member goes in
to stay with the pilot
until the other pilot returns

Yes, i think this is better.

[Nedusa]

No matter what safeguards are introduced no matter what safety systems or safety procedures are introduced there will always be a situation that can arise that you cannot plan for.

This particular sad scenario has happened a couple of times in the past and it is extremely difficult to forsee, i guess always having two pilots in the cockpit at all times would help but in the similar case on an Egyptian flight the pilot actually incapacitated the co-pilot before putting the plane into a nosedive.

I guess as technology improves the abilty of the pilot to put the plane into an unsafe position ie descending into a mountain range may not be accepted by the planes computer and the move flagged up at ground control. but even this would not stop a determined pilot from finding a way to disable the aircraft.

So perhaps more screening and more frequent mental health testing would help stop tragedies like this.

[Livia]

Again, Air Marshals.

I would happily pay extra to have them on a flight to know I was safe.

[Jamesy]

I thought a more efficient way would be to have a hidden keypad near the door that allows air cabin crew to unlock the door electronically.

Although whatever fail safe is created, it will be broken one way or another eventually. The whole three people in the cabin thing isn't guaranteed to work either, or having one staff go in if a pilot leaves. The other staff can easily be knocked out or killed by the pilot aiming to kill.

The main thing to ponder over now is why did the co-pilot crash the plane? That will be the interesting thing. It might not be terrorist related. He might have been going through something personal at home, or have some physiological issues that people didn't know of. I assume that's where the investigation team are going to look at next.

At least in a way those families who have lost ones can know for a fact what happened. This has all been announced quite quickly which is rare when it comes to plane crashes.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

In fairness I don't think you can legislate for every eventuality, what if pilot and co pilot agreed to bring down a plane, or the pilot coshed the co pilot, this third person entering the cockpit happens during some long haul flights at any rate, nothing that is put in place will be fool proof, but events like this are thankfully rare!

On a separate issue I think it is probably incorrect to say the passengers wouldn't have been aware until impact those in the front of the plane would be aware of the pilot trying to get back into the cockpit

Some were aware Cherie,they have heard screaming from the black box info.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Some were aware Cherie,they have heard screaming from the black box info.

i think when you start to make a rapid descent midway in your journey and the Swiss Alps are looming below you are going to start to worry

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Some were aware Cherie,they have heard screaming from the black box info.

If someone is screaming on a plane, the rest of the passengers know about it within seconds. I was on a plane once when a passenger started screaming, and all hell broke loose - everyone wanted to know what was going on. On that occasion it was just a bad bit of turbulence

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

If someone is screaming on a plane, the rest of the passengers know about it within seconds. I was on a plane once when a passenger started screaming, and all hell broke loose - everyone wanted to know what was going on. On that occasion it was just a bad bit of turbulence

I've been on a flight like that crossing the Equator from Brazil back to UK, you always hit turbulence and this chap was asleep and woke up screaming , lots of people immediately wanted to know what was going on.. very nervy I'll say

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

If someone is screaming on a plane, the rest of the passengers know about it within seconds. I was on a plane once when a passenger started screaming, and all hell broke loose - everyone wanted to know what was going on. On that occasion it was just a bad bit of turbulence

Exactly, I can't imagine they were unaware up to the last minute as the prosecuter alleged, the pilot knocking on the door would have alerted people to something being amiss..just awful.

[Kizzy]

I was in Alicante airport and there was a lot of screaming ... turns out the staff were watching real madrid play!! I have never been more terrified and more relieved.

[DemolitionRed]

My dad was in a near miss airline crash when the under-carage failed. When the pilot warned them that they were going to have to make an emergency landing and he would signal when to get into the brace position, he said it was suddenly absolute silence. Everyone was paralysed with fear. He said he felt like his body had been frozen to his chair and for the first time in years he just closed his eyes and prayed.

He refused to go into the brace position when told because a friend of his who was a pilot told him that its nothing to do with saving your life but all to do with saving your teeth for dental record indentification.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

My dad was in a near miss airline crash when the under-carage failed. When the pilot warned them that they were going to have to make an emergency landing and he would signal when to get into the brace position, he said it was suddenly absolute silence. Everyone was paralysed with fear. He said he felt like his body had been frozen to his chair and for the first time in years he just closed his eyes and prayed.

He refused to go into the brace position when told because a friend of his who was a pilot told him that its nothing to do with saving your life but all to do with saving your teeth for dental record indentification.

that cant be true

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

that cant be true

Why not? Most plane crashes end in disaster. Why would a rock hard seat in front of you save your life?

[arista]

As locals near the home of this Deadly Pilot
have said he did have depression.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Some were aware Cherie,they have heard screaming from the black box info.

Yes those near the Front
seconds before they were dead


All down to One German Pilot