[arista]

Just on ITV1 London
he said Politics is Dead now

Brand has used his book (Revolution) profits to fund it.


The workers are former addicts



http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/VIDEO-EX...ail/story.html

[Kizzy]

Good on ya Russ!

[Crimson Dynamo]

what kind of crap cup is that?

and it will be £3 for a cup of instant

no thanks

If i want to be served by junkies I can go to glasgow's east end for a coffee

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Good on ya Russ!

See Kizzy I report on everything


Fair and Balanced

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what kind of crap cup is that?

and it will be £3 for a cup of instant

no thanks

If i want to be served by junkies I can go to glasgow's east end for a coffee

Thats not fair
they are Ex Junkies

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

Thats not fair
they are Ex Junkies

there are no ex junkies or ex alcoholics

once you are in that club, you are in for life

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

there are no ex junkies or ex alcoholics

once you are in that club, you are in for life

You are grim today.


they are Ex Addicts
trust that

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by arista

You are grim today.


they are Ex Addicts
trust that

LT is correct Arista. The statement which every attendee of Alcoholics Anonymous makes to introduce himself, is; I am xxxx and I am an alcoholic, no matter how many years they have been 'off the juice'. It is the same with drug addicts.
Full credit to them though for turning their lives around and to Brand for employing them. .

[Crimson Dynamo]

Myth: Some alcoholics can learn to drink normally and can continue to drink with no ill effects as long as they limit the amount.

Reality: Alcoholics can never safely return to drinking because drinking in any amount will sooner or later reactivate their addiction.

http://www.lakesidemilam.com/alcohol...of-alcoholism/

You can however be clean or sober or both and yes any help given to this poorly understood disease is welcome, and Russell is a hammer and we stick together

sorry Wuss

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Myth: Some alcoholics can learn to drink normally and can continue to drink with no ill effects as long as they limit the amount.

Reality: Alcoholics can never safely return to drinking because drinking in any amount will sooner or later reactivate their addiction.

http://www.lakesidemilam.com/alcohol...of-alcoholism/

You can however be clean or sober or both and yes any help given to this poorly understood disease is welcome, and Russell is a hammer and we stick together

sorry Wuss

Ah well I consider myself an ex addict, what you or a couple of people with a recovery programme think is of no interest to me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ah well I consider myself an ex addict, what you or a couple of people with a recovery programme think is of no interest to me.

stay strong Kizzy. yes you are ex but the mind loves repetition and remembers the good feelings more than the bad.

[Kizzy]

Oh I am strong don't you worry about me, you worry about the flies in your whiskey.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Oh I am strong don't you worry about me, you worry about the flies in your whiskey.

I am worrying and that is good

my whisky tonite does not linger long enough for any fly to settle

although i did notice a mosquito in my bog pan earlier

[Vanessa]

I know full well how hard it is for addicts to recover. My own brother passed away because of it. Not everyone is strong enough to recover.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I know full well how hard it is for addicts to recover. My own brother passed away because of it. Not everyone is strong enough to recover.

Yes Vanessa it is such a poorly understood disease. The fact that NA and AA provide the best hope tells you all you need to know about how GPs have been effective here.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes Vanessa it is such a poorly understood disease. The fact that NA and AA provide the best hope tells you all you need to know about how GPs have been effective here.

It's a vicious circle. You get clean, then fall into it again. It takes a very strong person to stay away. Some people have an addictive personality.

[Kizzy]

I'm so sorry to hear that Vanessa It is true that the more you try to give up the worse the withdrawal, there's a medical term for it but I can't find it. It's awful the more desperate you get the more hard it is to quit sadly.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

It's a vicious circle. You get clean, then fall into it again. It takes a very strong person to stay away. Some people have an addictive personality.

yes they do and we dont know much about if it is inherited or learned but it is fact.

what we do know is that its very hard to combat

[Kizzy]

It wouldn't matter what your GP did or said, which to be fair between them and other organisations like AA is quite a lot, until you're in the right headspace to quit they are pis*ing in the wind.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It wouldn't matter what your GP did or said, which to be fair between them and other organisations like AA is quite a lot, until you're in the right headspace to quit they are pis*ing in the wind.

yes and sadly often when you hit that headspace you are already dead, its the lucky ones that end up in aa or na at rock bottom, rockbottom for many and forgive me vanessa, is death.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I know full well how hard it is for addicts to recover. My own brother passed away because of it. Not everyone is strong enough to recover.

I am sorry to hear that Vanessa. I know how hard it is to really beat an addiction, which is why I said those working for Brand have my respect for turning their lives around.

[Vanessa]

Thanks, everyone. It;s so hard watching a loved one go through this. You feel helpless, because there's only so much you can do. It's up to them to stay strong enough to walk away from their addictions.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes and sadly often when you hit that headspace you are already dead, its the lucky ones that end up in aa or na at rock bottom, rockbottom for many and forgive me vanessa, is death.

Well I don't know about that, some unfortunately lose the will to keep on trying but everyone's different, when it clicks it clicks, it might be a year in or 20yrs. The chance of a full recovery depends entirely on physical, mental and emotional damage.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Myth: Some alcoholics can learn to drink normally and can continue to drink with no ill effects as long as they limit the amount.

Reality: Alcoholics can never safely return to drinking because drinking in any amount will sooner or later reactivate their addiction.

http://www.lakesidemilam.com/alcohol...of-alcoholism/

You can however be clean or sober or both and yes any help given to this poorly understood disease is welcome, and Russell is a hammer and we stick together

sorry Wuss

You are quite correct of course L.T drug addicts and I include alcohol and tobacco in the list of drugs... Can never touch their drug of choice again. Simple as that.

There is no small acceptable controllable amount... Any amount would lead back to full blown addiction so the moral of the story is don't overdo these drugs or you will have to say goodbye to them forever...

[waterhog]

if he runs for PM - i will vote for him.