[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

My husband said that the authorities (in Germany??) heard what happened. Apparently the pilot left the co-pilot in charge while he went to the loo. When he came back the door lock had been disabled and he couldn't get back into the cockpit. They could hear the pilot and others trying to break down the door and that was when the plane started to go down and into the mountain.
No-one seems to know whether the co pilot wanted to commit suicide and take the whole lot with him or whether he had a heart attack and couldn't do anything. All that was heard before the pounding on the door, was the co pilot breathing.

Jenny it was not a heart attack, the co pilot was suffering from depression and had a sick note not to fly on that day, if you read back the thread the account is all there

[arista]

And worse the German Newspapers (Ref : SkyNewsHD Live)
has words from the Evil Pilots girlfriend
on how he was going to Crash a Plane
so everyone would know his name?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

And worse the German Newspapers (Ref : SkyNewsHD Live)
has words from the Evil Pilots girlfriend
on how he was going to Crash a Plane
so everyone would know his name?

Did she report it ?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Did she report it ?

It appears not
maybe she thought
he was joking

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

It appears not
maybe she thought
he was joking

Mind you she says she left him because he was scary so perhaps as he was a pilot she should have reported it

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Jenny it was not a heart attack, the co pilot was suffering from depression and had a sick note not to fly on that day, if you read back the thread the account is all there

They also heard him breathing until the moment of impact.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Mind you she says she left him because he was scary so perhaps as he was a pilot she should have reported it

Absolutely correct LT.

Coming back to something which I said in an earlier thread on terrorism about Sonia Sutcliffe; partners of these psychos KNOW they are both dangerous and demented, so knowing as much, and - as you quote - saying she left him because he was 'scary', and knowing his boast to 'crash a plane' - if she did not report him to the authorities she is as culpable as him -- in my opinion.

[MTVN]

Hindsight sure is wonderful. She is not at fault in any way.

[Will.]

This is very sad, ironically my mum starting catering for Malaysian Airlines with fish on the day of this crash :/

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Hindsight sure is wonderful. She is not at fault in any way.

That is true, The context of how he said it is important we all make jokes about killing our bosses etc or at least I do

[Ammi]

..I agree with Matt, she couldn't possibly have understood the significance/importance of what he said..(if he did indeed say it as it's just hearsay..)...and doesn't bear any responsibility at all, hindsight etc...I do hope that she doesn't get internet/Twitter hate etc because of his actions and that his family don't either...

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Mind you she says she left him because he was scary so perhaps as he was a pilot she should have reported it

Yes she could have warned the Airline

[bots]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

My husband said that the authorities (in Germany??) heard what happened. Apparently the pilot left the co-pilot in charge while he went to the loo. When he came back the door lock had been disabled and he couldn't get back into the cockpit. They could hear the pilot and others trying to break down the door and that was when the plane started to go down and into the mountain.
No-one seems to know whether the co pilot wanted to commit suicide and take the whole lot with him or whether he had a heart attack and couldn't do anything. All that was heard before the pounding on the door, was the co pilot breathing.

He made the active choice to deadlock the door and stop the pilot coming back in (not normal action) and he also actively set the plane into a decent. Two actions that reinforced what his intentions were

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I agree with Matt, she couldn't possibly have understood the significance/importance of what he said..(if he did indeed say it as it's just hearsay..)...and doesn't bear any responsibility at all, hindsight etc...I do hope that she doesn't get internet/Twitter hate etc because of his actions and that his family don't either...

If she goes online
she will get Attacked
thats going to be normal

[Crimson Dynamo]

'I'm planning a heinous act that will be remembered forever':

He was a master of hiding his darkest thoughts and frightened his former lover so much she decided to leave him

would wake up from nightmares screaming ‘we’re going down’, the former partner said.

'We spoke a lot about work and then he became another person. He became agitated about the circumstances in which he had to work, too little money, anxiety about his contract and too much pressure.'

'During conversations he'd suddenly throw a tantrum and scream at me,' she said. 'I was afraid. He even once locked me in the bathroom for a long time.'

She said: ‘When I heard about the crash, there was just a tape playing in my head of what he said, “One day I will do something that will change the system and everyone will then know my name and remember me”.

‘I did not know what he meant by that at the time, but now it’s clear.’

She said he had 'never really' spoken to her about any illness but had told her he was getting psychiatric treatment.


It comes amid claims that their relationship broke down because he was secretly gay and was suffering torment over hiding his homosexuality. One report claimed he was taunted by fellow pilots for previously being a 'trolley dolly' airline steward and dubbed 'Tomato Andy' - a derogatory gay slur - by colleagues.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3Vg0DfC6s

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

If she goes online
she will get Attacked
thats going to be normal

True, you can be Snow White and get attacked online so there is no hope that his family won't get abused unfortunately

[MTVN]

Not really sure why the Mail has changed "One day I will do something that will change the system and everyone will then know my name and remember me" to "I'm planning a heinous act that will be remembered forever" which obviously makes it sound a lot more sinister. I don't see anything in that which means that she should be expected to know he was going to deliberately crash a plane into a mountain. Especially if that man is your boyfriend you can never think he would be capable of doing something like that. Not if he had a couple of nightmares, not if he made a vague statement which could allude to anything, not even if he made you occasionally afraid or you knew that he struggled with illness. And she knew he was seeing a psychiatrist, presumably you trust those who are trained to deal with his illness as they see fit, it's not up to her to control his treatment or cast aspersions on what it might lead to. If two doctors thought he was not fit to work then maybe they should be the ones who warn his employers.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not really sure why the Mail has changed "One day I will do something that will change the system and everyone will then know my name and remember me" to "I'm planning a heinous act that will be remembered forever" which obviously makes it sound a lot more sinister. I don't see anything in that which means that she should be expected to know he was going to deliberately crash a plane into a mountain. Especially if that man is your boyfriend you can never think he would be capable of doing something like that. Not if he had a couple of nightmares, not if he made a vague statement which could allude to anything, not even if he made you occasionally afraid or you knew that he struggled with illness. And she knew he was seeing a psychiatrist, presumably you trust those who are trained to deal with his illness as they see fit, it's not up to her to control his treatment or cast aspersions on what it might lead to. If two doctors thought he was not fit to work then maybe they should be the ones who warn his employers.

That would be a breach of patient confidentiality so not allowed I guess

[Livia]

I agree with MTVN, unsurprisingly. This man had apparently passed the airline's own psychometric and other tests and he'd lied about his mental illness and the fact he'd been signed off. Like MTVN says, maybe it was the responsibility of the people treating him to report to his employers knowing he was a pilot and responsible for the lives of others. His girlfriend is not responsible.

[Crimson Dynamo]

why were the sick notes not copied to his superiors at the airline?

[bots]

Not sure of the specifics in Germany, but a sick note in the UK can be used or ignored by someone depending on how they feel about it at the time. Generally, most people that get a sick note do so to provide an official reason to be excused from work, there is no requirement that a doctor contact an employer.

If the employer has referred someone to a doctor, then its a completely different thing of course, then you would expect the employer to be notified of any issues.

Not sure if any of that information has been published yet

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Instead of giving him the luxury of trying to understand his brain amidst depression, can't we just call him a terrorist like everyone else that commits a terror act and call it a day? Nah?

Lots of people are depressed but they don't nose dive a plane into the Alps and selfishly bring innocent strangers with them.

[arista]

A Road is now being built
up to the crash site.

The was One Evil German Pilot
that had no care for any in that plane

[arista]

[Evil Killer pilot Andreas Lubitz had been treated for suicidal tendencies for Years before Alps crash, prosecutors reveal]



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3Vsc4GQSH



Germany
what a Crap nation
they must have known he was flying planes

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Hindsight sure is wonderful. She is not at fault in any way.

Agree........but she will still have to live with that nagging voice in her head that says to her over and over again

.......why didn't you say something, anything you knew he was unbalanced that's why you left him....should have mentioned he was saying some really strange things.....