[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

people don't trust labour at all any more joey, they stopped being compassionate 30 years ago
all labour did was cover things up , introduce endless petty laws, make the rich even richer and the poor even poorer. I cannot even begin to tell you how disgusting they were and how much they disappointed me and millions of others who left the labour party. theyre not socialist, theyre petty thieves and war criminals.
labour need to rid of this clown and all traces of new labour including balls up and harriet haggard ....awfu awful people. total clear out and start from scratch. tax the rich more the poor less, increasing working tax credits make that system way easier and advertise it better to get people off the dole. slash vat to 10% with a promise to abolish it within 10 years. its an enslavement tax. tighten all tax loop holes on the corporations. fight to get unified laws on tax loopholes across the EU and the entire planet. fight for disabled rights, tighten controls on companies exploiting customers, that includes all car manufacturers, all corporations, also monopolies like BT ,sky and RAC

scrap the £60 billion trains stink......we the tax payers pay 60 billion for a privatised rail system and the companies and shareholders take the profits? can no one tell this is 100% corrupt. privatising profits , socialising losses?

labour are as bad if not worse.

trouble is who else is there? clegg? don't make me laugh? all that's left is the nationalist parties or ukip or green peace? no wonder salmond was doing so well

Obviously that is your view the truth, and I respect you have become so disillisioned as to Labour that you think that way.

However I don't see Labour that way now, I really belive given the chance Ed Miliband will do what he says he will he hasn't gone fare nough for me as to some policies I would like to see but of the 3,he is the one I would now trust most.
He as yet, has not lied to the voters as leader of his party.

You raise the very valid point, under the eclectoral system we have,who else is there that can govern.
As you say, certainly not Clegg, who actually deserves to lose his own seat in my view,for the way he kicked in the teeh those who trusted him in 2010.

I for one, would hate to see and do not want, more of the same austerity measures there ahs been this last 5 years.
So yes, who is there, there will have to be some cuts, everyone accepts that but the cuts on the scale the Conservatives are planning again,in my view are inappropriate and too excessive.

A slower and more controlled way is needed and that is why this time around, I am prepared to try the opposition's way.
It is why among many other areas of policy they have too,Labour has won my vote in this election.
No more cuts for me and when I hear all this supposed good news from the Conseravtives,I am left suspicious as to how strong the recovery really is at this time since they say even more cuts are needed than was the case in 2010.
No thank you, the most vulnerable couldn't manage with more savage cuts like have been done, there has to be another way and I am prepared to see if in fact Ed Miliband will deliver that, and with more compassion in policies too.

You say Labour lost compassion 30 years ago, I actually see a fair bit in its policies in this election, I seen not the tiniest bit of compassion in any of the Conservative party's policies, all I see there are really ugly policies which I think will not work as in fact they really haven't this last 5 years.

I do appreciate and respect your view that you hold too, clearly you have lived under more of both govts; maybe a bit longer than I have and have your reasons from experience of both for being greatly didillusioned with likely the lot of them.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Obviously that is your view the truth, and I respect you have become so disillisioned as to Labour that you think that way.

However I don't see Labour that way now, I really belive given the chance Ed Miliband will do what he says he will he hasn't gone fare nough for me as to some policies I would like to see but of the 3,he is the one I would now trust most.
He as yet, has not lied to the voters as leader of his party.

You raise the very valid point, under the eclectoral system we have,who else is there that can govern.
As you say, certainly not Clegg, who actually deserves to lose his own seat in my view,for the way he kicked in the teeh those who trusted him in 2010.

I for one, would hate to see and do not want, more of the same austerity measures there ahs been this last 5 years.
So yes, who is there, there will have to be some cuts, everyone accepts that but the cuts on the scale the Conservatives are planning again,in my view are inappropriate and too excessive.

A slower and more controlled way is needed and that is why this time around, I am prepared to try the opposition's way.
It is why among many other areas of policy they have too,Labour has won my vote in this election.
No more cuts for me and when I hear all this supposed good news from the Conseravtives,I am left suspicious as to how strong the recovery really is at this time since they say even more cuts are needed than was the case in 2010.
No thank you, the most vulnerable couldn't manage with more savage cuts like have been done, there has to be another way and I am prepared to see if in fact Ed Miliband will deliver that, and with more compassion in policies too.

You say Labour lost compassion 30 years ago, I actually see a fair bit in its policies in this election, I seen not the tiniest bit of compassion in any of the Conservative party's policies, all I see there are really ugly policies which I think will not work as in fact they really haven't this last 5 years.

I do appreciate and respect your view that you hold too, clearly you have lived under more of both govts; maybe a bit longer than I have and have your reasons from experience of both for being greatly didillusioned with likely the lot of them.

miliband has already blown it by asking Cameron to promise not to RAISE VAT when he should have asked him to promise to LOWER VAT.

VAT WAS MEANT TO BE A TAX ON THE RICH ON LUXURY GOODS, NOW ITS ON EVERYTHING, THE POOR PAY IT AND THE RICH JUST CLAIM IT ALL BACK ON BUSINESS EXPENSES. ITS DISGUSTING. it also stops small businesses growing and challenging the established big businesses. its anti competitive enslavement tax. now the poor pay a bigger proportion in tax than the rich and its mainly labours fault.

the mainstream news is a joke a sick joke. the Westminster bubble only talks about the same things, farage, austerity, women only shortlists, milibands appearance its pathetic

what about council waste and corruption? what about the utter failure of the welsh assembly what about the 3000+ petty new labour laws, what about issues like the endless rise of male suicides and fathers rights, what about the disabled? they still in 2015 cant even access half the buildings , most of which do not even have disabled access toilets. Westminster has women only shortlists? why? what about disabled only? poor only? Asian only? these are groups under represented in parliament. no wonder no one fights for the sick and disabled ive only ever seen 1 wheelchair in the building. is that representative of the public 1 disabled person in 650 mps? none in the other 3 parliaments either? the other massive issue is the vats number of mps are simply sons of millionaires

then the roads the police the council the nhs cover ups and abuses and care homes too........in the public sector no one ever gets sacked unless they commit murder it seems. its a disgrace.

labour let the bankers run riot and let them all off scot free...the tories just continued. Obama held them to account in America....he fined them 100s of billions. he tightened up all regulations too and frankly hes done a fine job in restructuring their economy overall. despite the enormous debt , house market collapse 10.5% unemployment he was left with , oh and 2 unwinnable wars....weve barely scratched around the edges. we don't argue moral issues anymore, theyre too spineless for that. we don't fight the real crooks nor do we fight the power , we just go for easy targets