[MTVN]

Whatever Sturgeon says or however well she came across I could never really shake the fact that I can't vote for her party, I want politicians up there who care about all of the UK and want to govern the country as a whole. Maybe Sturgeon does want a say in governing the country but only as a means to an end of breaking up the UK or at the very least having ever more powers and money devolved to Scotland, and I'm sorry but that is just not something that anyone outside of Scotland wants or is interested in happening.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Whatever Sturgeon says or however well she came across I could never really shake the fact that I can't vote for her party, I want politicians up there who care about all of the UK and want to govern the country as a whole. Maybe Sturgeon does want a say in governing the country but only as a means to an end of breaking up the UK or at the very least having ever more powers and money devolved to Scotland, and I'm sorry but that is just not something that anyone outside of Scotland wants or is interested in happening.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Who do you think won the leaders' TV debate?

• Natalie Bennett 2% 230 votes
  
• Nick Clegg 2% 256 votes
  
• Nigel Farage 34% 4,991 votes
  
• Ed Miliband 7% 1,051 votes
  
• Leanne Wood 2% 305 votes
  
• Nicola Sturgeon 18% 2,614 votes
  
• David Cameron 35% 5,078 votes

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3WElST2Sb

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Who do you think won the leaders' TV debate?

• Natalie Bennett 2% 230 votes
  
• Nick Clegg 2% 256 votes
  
• Nigel Farage 34% 4,991 votes
  
• Ed Miliband 7% 1,051 votes
  
• Leanne Wood 2% 305 votes
  
• Nicola Sturgeon 18% 2,614 votes
  
• David Cameron 35% 5,078 votes

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3WElST2Sb

So??? Who won? And who came second?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Whatever Sturgeon says or however well she came across I could never really shake the fact that I can't vote for her party, I want politicians up there who care about all of the UK and want to govern the country as a whole. Maybe Sturgeon does want a say in governing the country but only as a means to an end of breaking up the UK or at the very least having ever more powers and money devolved to Scotland, and I'm sorry but that is just not something that anyone outside of Scotland wants or is interested in happening.

I agree, bit ironic that she wants each countries votes counted in referendum on Europe so they won't be dragged out when her party would have taken Scotland out of Europe had they won a yes vote

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I agree, bit ironic that she wants each countries votes counted in referendum on Europe so they won't be dragged out when her party would have taken Scotland out of Europe had they won a yes vote

Brilliantly pointed out Cherie (why don't you move in with me in my squat? )

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I agree, bit ironic that she wants each countries votes counted in referendum on Europe so they won't be dragged out when her party would have taken Scotland out of Europe had they won a yes vote

How is this, I thought she was totally against leaving the EU?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-eu-referendum

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I agree, bit ironic that she wants each countries votes counted in referendum on Europe so they won't be dragged out when her party would have taken Scotland out of Europe had they won a yes vote

She wouldn't have Cherie to be fair, the SNP wanted to remain part of the EU or join it if they couldn't at the point of independence.

I myself really believe in the 18 monthns to 2 year period before independence was in force for Scotland that the Eu would have accommodated them and fasttracked them as members too.

In fact it was the UK that as a memebr of the EU had Scotland left the UK, who maybe should have been forced to look at its EU status,after all without Scotland the United Kingdom is no longer in fact the United Kingdom at all.

It is SNP policy to be in the EU, the SNP wants Scotland to remain in the EU, hence why with 3 other Nations as part of the UK, I think she had a valid point as to that all Nations of the UK should agree to leaving the EU via a referendum and not just have the South of England in the main dictate to the whole of the rest of the UK.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Whatever Sturgeon says or however well she came across I could never really shake the fact that I can't vote for her party, I want politicians up there who care about all of the UK and want to govern the country as a whole. Maybe Sturgeon does want a say in governing the country but only as a means to an end of breaking up the UK or at the very least having ever more powers and money devolved to Scotland, and I'm sorry but that is just not something that anyone outside of Scotland wants or is interested in happening.

Its easy to take that view when your own country is 10 ntimes biugger than any other in the union etc etc

I would imagine if you lived in Wales , NI or Scotland your view may differ as it would if Scotland had 50 million and england 5.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its easy to take that view when your own country is 10 ntimes biugger than any other in the union etc etc

I would imagine if you lived in Wales , NI or Scotland your view may differ as it would if Scotland had 50 million and england 5.

It's easy because it's true: no one outside of Scotland can vote SNP, they do want to break up the Union, and they do think they should have more powers and more money. Not hard to see why that is disagreeable to English voters no matter how much we are portrayed as bloated overlords desperate to keep the poor Scots and Welsh down. IMO the Union won't survive more than another two decades, and just as important as the SNP and Plaid Cymru to that will be when England gets fed up of always being the villain of the play. If a Labour/SNP coalition is the result of the election there will be a hell of a lot of Englanders wishing that Scotland would have voted Yes after all.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's easy because it's true: no one outside of Scotland can vote SNP, they do want to break up the Union, and they do think they should have more powers and more money. Not hard to see why that is disagreeable to English voters no matter how much we are portrayed as bloated overlords desperate to keep the poor Scots and Welsh down. IMO the Union won't survive more than another two decades, and just as important as the SNP and Plaid Cymru to that will be when England gets fed up of always being the villain of the play. If a Labour/SNP coalition is the result of the election there will be a hell of a lot of Englanders wishing that Scotland would have voted Yes after all.

We are portrayed as bloated overlords as our current government are governing like bloated overlords.