[MTVN]

It's true that raising the income tax threshold was a Lib Dem policy which the Tories were repeatedly against and only introduced reluctantly, now they boast about it as though they fulfilled some long held Conservative vision in implementing it. I really think its sad that the Lib Dems positive and moderating impact on this government has been so unappreciated

[arista]

Fecking War Monger Blair is helping his party
he even brought up China,


Feck Off Blair
China are our mates

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It wouldn't have any baring on what was, is or will be happening in our country however. Why would the opinion of someone outside the UK matter more or have more relevance than those living in it?

Great. So you fully support the UK leaving the corrupt EU as soon as possible then?

[joeysteele]

Actually, I hate to admit this but I thought Tony Blair gave a very insightful speech this morning as to the EU and the World at large too.
Pretty impressive throughout.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nicola sturgeon bossed the leadership debate up here too. Just finishing now.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Great. So you fully support the UK leaving the corrupt EU as soon as possible then?

No, and why is worldwide trade not corrupt?

[JoshBB]

The tories taking credit for what the Lib Dems have introduced is unacceptable imo

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

The tories taking credit for what the Lib Dems have introduced is unacceptable imo

It was inevitable that would happen because the Lib Dems, Nick Clegg in particular,threw out so much of his own policies,which were really good ones,to firstly ensure the fixed term parliament for 5 years got thorung, thereby ensuring the Lib Dems were in shared govt; for at least 5 years, with a few ministerial positions and his title of deputy PM.

The Conservatives used the raising of tax thresholds for the lower paid to get throught their tax cuts for the far higher earners,which the Lib Dems accepted and supported in full.

It is unfair the way the Conservatives have hijacked the whole policy,even moreso because they wouldn't have done it on the scale the Lib Dems did insist on.
had the Lib Dems insisted no changes to the higher tax levels and only agreed to the changes for the lower paid bands,much more credibility could have been hled onto by them.

Really,other than that policy, all the Lib Dems have in fact supported are slightly watered down measures of Conservative policy,their modeating influence having really little effect.
They allowed the Conservatives to govern as if they had got an overall majority and are in my view, paying the right price for abandoning their principles, their word and pledges to the people who trusted and voted for them to do much more, in controlling either party in govt:

The one thing that mystifies me, if the country and voters hate what the Lib Dems have supported,is how any credit for same should go to the Conservatives.
If policies are wrong, they are wrong and both parties that have presented the policies deserve the same condemnation as to same too.
The Conservatives sadly used and played the Lib Dems and Nick Clegg let them in effect walk all over him and his party for the full near 5 years.

[arista]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

The tories taking credit for what the Lib Dems have introduced is unacceptable imo

But its normal
they do not have time to mention that


The LibDems are rushing around the UK
telling what they have done


in under 4 weeks we need a winner
and no way can Nick be a PM

[Kizzy]

Great news about Labour 'pick pocketing' the non doms.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-status-labour

[arista]

Wow


Farage and Joey Essex
on SkyNewsHD
just now
getting the younger voters.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Great news about Labour 'pick pocketing' the non doms.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-status-labour

No Kizzy
it the plan that stopped before the 2010 Election.

And as BBC News has shown it has major errors
all today on headlines


The LibDems
are doing it better
ref : Radio 5

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

No Kizzy
it the plan that stopped before the 2010 Election.

And as BBC News has shown it has major errors
all today on headlines


The LibDems
are doing it better
ref : Radio 5

It not the plan that stopped, it the plan as announced yesterday... austerity has major errors, like people dying but we went with that didn't we?

The BBC are a bloated media corp....who cares what they say?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

The tories taking credit for what the Lib Dems have introduced is unacceptable imo

The lib dems threw any credibility they had away last election. No one cares whst they claim. They are finished.

Fact

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The lib dems threw any credibility they had away last election. No one cares whst they claim. They are finished.

Fact

Of all the parties, I'm most interested to see what happens to the LibDems. I think Clegg will lose his seat.

[MTVN]

Well I might be alone but I remain convinced that the Lib Dems have actually done a commendable job this government. In 2010 a Con-Lib coalition did make the most sense: The Conservatives won the most seats so should have had the first attempt at forming a government, and it was the only partnership that was capable of having a strong majority. Labour and the Lib Dems together would still have been 8 seats short then what are the options? The SNP had 6 seats, Plaid 3, SDLP 3, Greens 1, you would have needed at least 2 of those parties and even then you have a very slim majority with at least 4 parties which would be very hard to govern with in practice. Con-Lib was clearly the most practicable coalition possible, but even then remember how everyone said it would never last and that government would soon break down? Well it didn't, the first coalition government since WWII was actually remarkably stable and harmonious and conducted itself with a lot of political maturity.

Yes the Lib Dems broke promises blah blah blah, but they were by far the junior partner, it's unrealistic to expect them to have everything on their terms. In a sense they were able to make pledges like 'no tuition fees' because they never had a chance of governing the country themselves. When the opportunity arises of course you are going to do what you can but you also have to accept the reality of your situation. Even with the fees you can be sure that the way in which they've risen would have been very different without Lib Dem influence. They were also the ones who achieved the raising of the income tax threshold, the pension changes have been largely Lib Dem driven, and across the board they have been moderating government policies to reach a compromise. That's what coalition government is all about, like Cable said the other day if you're serious in politics you do have to engage with government, you can't just be a stubborn opposition and protest party to everything.

Maybe its because this country is so unused to coalition governments that that never gets appreciated, I bet it will do a lot more after the next election when we are going to need a coalition again and people will realise that actually it's always the case that the minor party cannot dictate policy. It's why also, as much as I dislike the SNP, I don't really buy the scaremongering over a Labour-SNP agreement where they say that 'Salmond will be pulling the strings', 'Miliband will be in his pocket' etc. The Tories should know more than anyone now that coalition government does not work like that, otherwise by the same logic we'd have had Cameron in Clegg's pocket the last 5 years

[Kizzy]

Hmmm, that's a good point but I can't forgive how instrumental they were in the sneaky cut price royal mail sell off.
That was far from their hands being tied, Vince was on a mission there and it wasn't before they had orchestrated the workers relinquishing their rights for a few measly shares true tory style.

[Kizzy]

'When it comes to tax avoidance the polling is quite clear.

Here are some numbers from February:

From ICM: 52% of voters agreed that even less mercy should be shown to the rich avoiding their dues than to dishonest social security claimants. 67% said at the time that big business was so close to politics that no government would stop tax dodging.

From YouGov: 59 per cent of people think it is “unacceptable” to legally avoid tax, compared to only 32 per cent who think it is reasonable.

Also from YouGov: 65% think the current coalition government has done badly at reducing tax avoidance by companies. 55% believe government could make a proper effort to reduce tax avoidance, opposed to 30% who believe not much can be done to stop tax avoidance in a globalised world.'

The non doms debate is dominating, and the tories defending them feeds into the fact they are a party for the tax avoiding rich.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...m-tax-loophole

[Kizzy]

Well, here's a turn up for the books my party of choice comes out top for Christian values..how ironic

Labour best party for issues that matter to Christians, poll suggests

The Labour party is viewed as the most trusted to deliver on the top three priority areas for practising Christians, according to a new survey, the Press Association reports.

Ed Miliband’s party was seen as the most dependable on managing the NHS, 33% compared to 22% for the Conservatives; making sure that the benefits of economic growth are felt by all, 33% against 17% for the Conservatives, and making the welfare system fairer, 33% compared to 19% for the Conservatives'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...m-tax-loophole

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It not the plan that stopped, it the plan as announced yesterday... austerity has major errors, like people dying but we went with that didn't we?

The BBC are a bloated media corp....who cares what they say?

It is
its their old plan brought back
to keep you fooled

[arista]

And Kizzy Dear

Ed Balls has said on a BBC Leeds interview
some weeks back
warning against this as it will not work.


So everyone is now using Balls former words.


"it emerges Ed Balls recently said it could cost the UK."

http://news.sky.com/story/1460548/la...dom-tax-status


Labour Confusion
Fact



Utter feck up of your Labour today

[Crimson Dynamo]

Dont forget that tonite on BBC1 HD at 6.55 is the UKIP election broadcast



Nigel cares about you

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

And Kizzy Dear

Ed Balls has said on a BBC Leeds interview
some weeks back
warning against this as it will not work.


So everyone is now using Balls former words.


"it emerges Ed Balls recently said it could cost the UK."

http://news.sky.com/story/1460548/la...dom-tax-status


Labour Confusion
Fact



Utter feck up of your Labour today

No confusion at all, let me help you on this one.
He said that in January and that was why it was not then fully considered as a policy at that time, since it appeared it could possibly cost more to implement than it would bring in,'at that time'.

Since then, the Shadow treasury team have analysed and found the way to ensure it wouldn't cost more to implement,hence why now after all that work,3 months later, it can be seen as a viable policy.

Anyway, people should be paying taxes if they are due no one should be able to avoid doing so.

It hasn't bothered this lot from hammemring the most vulnerable on benefits, spending far more to save a lot less.
Then too, once lengthy official figures for the bedroom charge are able to be scrutinised, I feel sure we will find that has cost a great deal more to implement than it has saved at all.

If it can be done for the most vulnerable, then rich and greedy tax avoiders should be hunted down too, no matter the cost.

However Ed Balls and his team have now found a way to ensure the non doms policy doesn't cost more to do now than it will bring in.
The original speech from Ed Balls as to this way back in January, is far and away old news.
No confusion at all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

To recap on the day so far: Labour made thismorning's headlines with Ed Miliband's eye-catching pledge to scrap non-dom tax status - and has spent the day fielding criticism over the policy, including a mounting backlash from respected City groups.

The CBI warned "we must be cautious of any proposals which might put entrepreneurs off coming to the UK to invest and create jobs" and the Institute of Directors said that "the UK’s international reputation would be put at risk" and warned that large numbers of financial figures headquartered in London "will now exit the country".

Conservatives seized on a video showing Ed Balls saying abolishing non-dom status altogether would "end up costing Britain money", though the shadow Chancellor claimed his words had been taken out of context.

Meanwhile Nigel Farage has been campaigning in Grimsby, where he had a meeting with Joey Essex; the Greens have launched a bizarre 'spoof' video featuring the four main male party leaders as a boyband, and Nick Clegg has been campaigning in the South West.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/gene...atus-live.html

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

And Kizzy Dear

Ed Balls has said on a BBC Leeds interview
some weeks back
warning against this as it will not work.


So everyone is now using Balls former words.


"it emerges Ed Balls recently said it could cost the UK."

http://news.sky.com/story/1460548/la...dom-tax-status


Labour Confusion
Fact



Utter feck up of your Labour today

I've read the full transcript. I've no wish to hear the tory death throes as they continue to champion the 1%.