[Crimson Dynamo]

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Jack_

#freedomforjamrags

[arista]

My New Voting Card Arrived
at my Office.
I will be there 7AM/7/5/15 Voting Conservative

Lay It On The Line

[MTVN]

I agree with Miliband about Fallon really, it was quite undignified of him to make comments like that and the public don't like it. The Tories are running their campaign poorly imo and they're looking likely to pay the price for it

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I agree with Miliband about Fallon really, it was quite undignified of him to make comments like that and the public don't like it. The Tories are running their campaign poorly imo and they're looking likely to pay the price for it

As if Milliband and his band of merry men never make derogotary comments they are all as bad.

[MTVN]

In a way its just the pointlessness of this attack though: Labour and the Tories basically agree on Trident. Miliband 'stabbing his country in the back'? Get real. And 'stabbed his brother in the back'? He beat him in a fair election where they stood on different platforms, hardly a sneaky betrayal. It's not endearing to the electorate, people aren't interested in how good a personal dig the Conservatives can get in on Miliband's character. And when it's happening on an issue where the two parties broadly agree then what hope do we have to hear any sensible and reasonable discourse on issues where they disagree?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

In a way its just the pointlessness of this attack though: Labour and the Tories basically agree on Trident. Miliband 'stabbing his country in the back'? Get real. And 'stabbed his brother in the back'? He beat him in a fair election where they stood on different platforms, hardly a sneaky betrayal. It's not endearing to the electorate, people aren't interested in how good a personal dig the Conservatives can get in on Miliband's character. And when it's happening on an issue where the two parties broadly agree then what hope do we have to hear any sensible and reasonable discourse on issues where they disagree?

Valid points again and I agree,I too dislike the personal attacks from both the main parties but this was way out of order.
Had this been said by a Labour politician as to the Conservatives being a danger to Britain's defences, it would have been the crime of the century.

None of the main parties are a danger to the UK's defences,although the cuts this govt; have made to the armed forces hasn't done much to help.

As was said on QT tonight actually, Ed Miliband stood as the more left of Labour candidate against his brother David who was more to the right of Labour.
Also, both being dedicated Labour politicians another choice too, David who had supported the Iraq action and Ed who would not have done so and was against the Iraq action.

It was a disgraceful comment from Michael Fallon and he is being, and should be, rightly condemned for it by anyone who has any regard for decency.
Sadly, this is politics.

Talking today to a lady who is 89,really active and raring to vote too in May.
I could have talked to her for hours while canvassing today and I even got a cup of tea from her too,she was amazing.
She commented, in 1945, after them working together during the war, Winston Churchill then likened and warned that Clement Attlee's Labour were as dangerous as the nazi's, during the election campaign.

She then smiled and said, you know what happened,Winston Churchill and the Tories were thrown out and Labour won a landslide.

Fantastic lady and how I would love to see history repeat itself.

[arista]

Ch5HD News

Many women are saying leaving the voting to their men?
(I thought those days had gone)

But the women say the want David as PM
not Ed.


They are saying its rare to have the the polls near each other
and Labour in Scotland are not liked at all.

Well done the Scottish
SNP is Great
Kill all Labour MP's
thats goods


Emma is Live in Southport
under LibDem
but are the Conservatives going to take over?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Ch5HD News

Many women are saying leaving the voting to their men?
(I thought those days had gone)

But the women say the want David as PM
not Ed.


They are saying its rare to have the the polls near each other
and Labour in Scotland are not liked at all.

Well done the Scottish
SNP is Great
Kill all Labour MP's
thats goods


Emma is Live in Southport
under LibDem
but are the Conservatives going to take over?

Of the 5 parties currently with seats in parliament who are across the UK parties, Labour is still the more popular in Scotland.

If Labour are not liked in Scotland then at present, the Conservatives, Lib Dems must be really hated.

The one thing for sure is no matter what number of seats go to the SNP from Labour,it will not be down to any success of the Conservatives or Lib Dems, further when in the future those seats change hands again, it will be back to Labour,not the others.

Just over 40 years ago the Conservatives were winning 21 seats in Scotland,remind me how many they have now.
Oh yes, 1 at present.

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Of the 5 parties currently with seats in parliament who are across the UK parties, Labour is still the more popular in Scotland.

If Labour are not liked in Scotland then at present, the Conservatives, Lib Dems must be really hated.

The one thing for sure is no matter what number of seats go to the SNP from Labour,it will not be down to any success of the Conservatives or Lib Dems, further when in the future those seats change hands again, it will be back to Labour,not the others.

Just over 40 years ago the Conservatives were winning 21 seats in Scotland,remind me how many they have now.
Oh yes, 1 at present.

Its very true that labour are more popular in Scotland than the other UK wide parties, however, that will be no consolation for labour if the predicted shift to SNP occurs. It is something I can see happening as it doesn't directly affected the independence situation at this point.

Some estimates suggest that the SNP could pick up 50 of the 59 available seats, and that will be a big deficit for labour to make up in the rest of the UK to compensate. Would the SNP then effectively give those seats to labour to wield in a coalition, I doubt it. I can't see any party getting a formal coalition with the SNP.

[Kizzy]

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[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Its very true that labour are more popular in Scotland than the other UK wide parties, however, that will be no consolation for labour if the predicted shift to SNP occurs. It is something I can see happening as it doesn't directly affected the independence situation at this point.

Some estimates suggest that the SNP could pick up 50 of the 59 available seats, and that will be a big deficit for labour to make up in the rest of the UK to compensate. Would the SNP then effectively give those seats to labour to wield in a coalition, I doubt it. I can't see any party getting a formal coalition with the SNP.

Both the SNP and Labour have said they would not go together in a formal coalition anyway,however the SNP have said, they would operate a confidence and supply measure which would mean Labour could rely on their votes on crucial issues and thereby effectively govern as a minority govt;.

If Labour won only 280-285 seats and the SNP did in fact take 50 seats, (I don't see that happening myself although I think at least 20 of Labour seast will go to the SNP.),then just Labour and the SNP alone could not be voted down in parliament.

However Plaid Cymru has also said it would join the SNP as to voting in the commons,add all that with the SDLP in N.Ireland,plus the fact Sinn Fein don't take their seats at Westminster, then a minority Labour govt; could do very well indeed and be able to govern very comfortably.

Likewise,were the Conservatives to have around 280-285 seats too, then with 50 SNP MPs,no way at all could they govern, as the then Labour opposition with just the SNP votes could always vote down the Conservative party.

I am actually amazed at the people I have talked to so far in this campaign, that have said,here in England, that if they were able to, they too would vote SNP.
A Labour minority govt; supported in parliament by the SNP,for me, would be a really good govt; and I would like to see how successful it could be and how much fairer too.

What is your thinking as to the likely result bitontheslide,you make some great observations and really strong points too.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Of the 5 parties currently with seats in parliament who are across the UK parties, Labour is still the more popular in Scotland.

If Labour are not liked in Scotland then at present, the Conservatives, Lib Dems must be really hated.

The one thing for sure is no matter what number of seats go to the SNP from Labour,it will not be down to any success of the Conservatives or Lib Dems, further when in the future those seats change hands again, it will be back to Labour,not the others.

Just over 40 years ago the Conservatives were winning 21 seats in Scotland,remind me how many they have now.
Oh yes, 1 at present.

But do you not understand
Labour in Scotland
went down fecking faster than anything before



The fact that Conservatives do not do well in Scotland
is Fine.


As the SNP
Kill Labour MPs




Ed Miliband was in Scotland
but he can not walk around
he had to stay in one fecking place.
He is so Hated - He is a Toff
in a Nice area.



Now SNP taking Scotland is great

[empire]

but does the british people want to vote so they can bend there asses backward, to outsiders, like the EUSSR, labour's economic policy is a disaster, tories keep giving the poor and the hard working class, harsh cuts, and then they give the money to fascist junta ukraine, the thing with immigration is that you get two things with it, racial and religious divide, and a cultural clash, and then you end up with every city in britain just like belfast,the media and the left wing and labour voters, want this hushed up with there fingers in there ears,

[arista]

Originally Posted by empire

but does the british people want to vote so they can bend there asses backward, to outsiders, like the EUSSR, labour's economic policy is a disaster, tories keep giving the poor and the hard working class, harsh cuts, and then they give the money to fascist junta ukraine, the thing with immigration is that you get two things with it, racial and religious divide, and a cultural clash, and then you end up with every city in britain just like belfast,the media and the left wing and labour voters, want this hushed up with there fingers in there ears,

Yes its a Staged Election.
but the can not Hush Up
Live Photos
and Covert recordings.


One Covert Recording of Ed
can Stop him dead

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

But do you not understand
Labour in Scotland
went down fecking faster than anything before



The fact that Conservatives do not do well in Scotland
is Fine.


As the SNP
Kill Labour MPs




Ed Miliband was in Scotland
but he can not walk around
he had to stay in one fecking place.
He is so Hated - He is a Toff
in a Nice area.



Now SNP taking Scotland is great

If the SNP take as many seats as predicted,then for me the great thing will be those MPs will never vote to help or sustain a Conservative govt:

So cheer all you like, in truth as to the next parliament, an SNP MP is an even stronger vote against the Conservatives in the commons than even some possible Labour MPs votes may have been.
That cheers me up a great deal.

David Cameron is also hated in Scotland, why is it that Conservative leaders since margaret Thatcher still just ride away from Scotland and treat it,its MPs and its citizens with total contempt.

Labour has problems at present in Scotland but it will still be the only main UK party with any real base in Scotland, even after this election's possible worst result for them there.

[arista]

"will never vote to help or sustain a Conservative govt:"

Of Course its not for us

But its Killing Labour MP's
that is so Fantastic.

And after the election Joey
you and I can not call it
if its Hung.


And Labour can not get on with SNP.

[arista]

"David Cameron is also hated in Scotland,"


Everyone knows that


But Now Your Ed is hated more
that Matters

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"will never vote to help or sustain a Conservative govt:"

Of Course its not for us

But its Killing Labour MP's
that is so Fantastic.

And after the election Joey
you and I can not call it
if its Hung.


And Labour can not get on with SNP.

Actually I think you will find that Labour and the SNP will get on fine after the election in westminster.

Their policies are not in any way miles apart,in fact for me, the SNP has some better policies than Labour.
There will not need to be a formal coalition,the SNP would then be free to vote against trident renewal in a confidence and supply basis but with no threat to the Labour plan to go ahead with renewal from the guidance given at the time by the experts.

Labour would be able to probably accept some slowing of further austerity measures in line with SNP policy,which for me would be a really good thing too.

With that firm block of supprt from the SNP, Plaid Cymru too and the SDLP in N I reland as I said earlier, although it would be a minority Labour govt;,it would in fact be one of the strongest minority govts; ever had.

All keeping out David Cameron and his party which will be the main agreement between both Labour and the SNP, that will see them get along fine after the election.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Actually I think you will find that Labour and the SNP will get on fine after the election in westminster.

Their policies are not in any way miles apart,in fact for me, the SNP has some better policies than Labour.
There will not need to be a formal coalition,the SNP would then be free to vote against trident renewal in a confidence and supply basis but with no threat to the Labour plan to go ahead with renewal from the guidance given at the time by the experts.

Labour would be able to probably accept some slowing of further austerity measures in line with SNP policy,which for me would be a really good thing too.

With that firm block of supprt from the SNP, Plaid Cymru too and the SDLP in N I reland as I said earlier, although it would be a minority Labour govt;,it would in fact be one of the strongest minority govts; ever had.

All keeping out David Cameron and his party which will be the main agreement between both Labour and the SNP, that will see them get along fine after the election.

Personally I would not be happy to have Sturgeon gaining more money and services for a five million minority just because they live north of the border.

[arista]

"the main agreement between both Labour and the SNP"

Lets see that work


Feck Labour

[smudgie]

I am looking forward to the Party political broadcast by TUSC next Friday.
Will be interesting to see how many seats they can pick up in the election, being as so many people have not heard of them yet they are putting up over a hundred candidates.
They sound more like old Labour so could do okay

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Personally I would not be happy to have Sturgeon gaining more money and services for a five million minority just because they live north of the border.

I am actually finding a lot of people who would love to be able to vote for the SNP in England.

For me, a Labour led govt; with SNP support would bring fairness and more importantly compassion into policy for legislation.
Two things that don't exist in what this govt; has brought forward in recent years.

I actually wish Nicola Sturgeon was leader of one of the 3 main UK parties.
She would sure get my vote if I lived in Scotland.

I see nothing wrong at all with the SNP being supportive to Labour after the election either as some object to.
For decades, there was Unionist influence as to the Conservative party in govt; from Northern Ireland.

[Josy]

As a Scot I wouldnt give Sturgeon my vote even if she was the only person we could vote for.