[Ross.]

Can't see UKIP getting as many seats as people think they will tbh

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Monopoly

Can't see UKIP getting as many seats as people think they will tbh

I really now cannot see then getting more than 5 in a good election for them,however they could even be hard pressed to hold the 2 they have now.

It is by no means assured that Nigel Farage will even take the Thanet seat he is contesting.

I have been out canvassing the last week and while finding a lot of people who like the sound of UKIP,they are not going to vote for them in a general election.
In fact, I am finding where a voter is torn between UKIP and the Conservatives,they are more likely to vote Conservative.

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well at least it is all historically accurate and far more balanced than all your one sided attitude.
I have balanced that post the best way I could,from historical facts as to both main parties of govt;

Enlighten us however as to what parts are not historically correct, history itself deals with facts, credit has to be given and criticism has to be given to most PMs and govts; that have been in power post war.
That is what I did.

Setting a different balance however from facts, rather than your opinion that always condemns one party is with respect,in my view, a far better way to proceed.

So with even fuller respect,laugh all you like in your pettiness,at least it is better to give someone a laugh anyday.

That's a bit harsh

You have covered so much history in a quick summary that its really to much to go in to detail with. I will however cover the key points of the last labour government that were extremely damaging to the country.

1. Pensions. Gordon Brown robbed the pension funds bringing the whole pension funding crisis to a head.

2. Mobile phone networks. Gordon Brown put the bandwidth up for auction forcing our top companies such as Vodafone to cripple themselves bidding far too much and making them less able to compete globally.

3. Gordon Brown sold off the gold reserves at the point where there were worth the least .. very smart move - not.

4. Gordon Brown sold off as much state property as he could

All the money generated from the above was squandered before the the global crisis hit. He basically removed all the buffers that we had making any economic downturn much more difficult to deal with.

Just a few examples.....

The labour party didn't do a good job during their years in office. Blaming the economic downturn for all the country's ills is not reflecting the true state of affairs.

[empire]

I do not want another labour ruling country, they will piss are money up the wall again, ruin are small run businesses, rise green tax, more pro eu rules, replace are pound to the euro, in turn we will end up being another greece, eu rules have treated british workers like second and third class citizens, because of the last labour government.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

That's a bit harsh

You have covered so much history in a quick summary that its really to much to go in to detail with. I will however cover the key points of the last labour government that were extremely damaging to the country.

1. Pensions. Gordon Brown robbed the pension funds bringing the whole pension funding crisis to a head.

2. Mobile phone networks. Gordon Brown put the bandwidth up for auction forcing our top companies such as Vodafone to cripple themselves bidding far too much and making them less able to compete globally.

3. Gordon Brown sold off the gold reserves at the point where there were worth the least .. very smart move - not.

4. Gordon Brown sold off as much state property as he could

All the money generated from the above was squandered before the the global crisis hit. He basically removed all the buffers that we had making any economic downturn much more difficult to deal with.

Just a few examples.....

The labour party didn't do a good job during their years in office. Blaming the economic downturn for all the country's ills is not reflecting the true state of affairs.

A quick summary is better than a off the cuff remark I would've thought.
I think the key words there were global financial crisis, I haven't seen any evidence that there were financial mistakes made before that hit?
It could be counterbalanced with some of the mistakes made by this government I guess, the Ł700 million of IT wasted during the advent of universal credit and the undervaluing of royal mail.. I'll have a think about the Thatcher years if we're talking really screwing the country over.

[Kizzy]

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[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

That's a bit harsh

You have covered so much history in a quick summary that its really to much to go in to detail with. I will however cover the key points of the last labour government that were extremely damaging to the country.

1. Pensions. Gordon Brown robbed the pension funds bringing the whole pension funding crisis to a head.

2. Mobile phone networks. Gordon Brown put the bandwidth up for auction forcing our top companies such as Vodafone to cripple themselves bidding far too much and making them less able to compete globally.

3. Gordon Brown sold off the gold reserves at the point where there were worth the least .. very smart move - not.

4. Gordon Brown sold off as much state property as he could

All the money generated from the above was squandered before the the global crisis hit. He basically removed all the buffers that we had making any economic downturn much more difficult to deal with.

Just a few examples.....

The labour party didn't do a good job during their years in office. Blaming the economic downturn for all the country's ills is not reflecting the true state of affairs.

You couldn't make it up, it is seen as harsh by you that someone challenges what you say but you can in a belittling fashion get at them for their posts.

I presume you couldn't fault any of the 'facts' I had in there which gave credit to both parties in govt; and also highlighted the things that went wrong too.

Now you are off being selective,I agree Gordon Brown made many mistakes,I was dealing with the situations left by govts; when they left office in the main not the whole run of things during their time in office.

You are right too on the gold reserves and pension funds,however that too is a issue of during the time in power not the end of the time in govt:

Which is why I largely ignored the selling of state assets etc; however I could have included the disastrous selling off,of the the telecom , gas and electricity and water too.
I notice and I am sure others will have too, that you chose to highlight what Gordon Brown sold off but carefully ignored that fact of those industries being sold off, very cheaply I may add, during the 18 year run of Conservative govt:

Gordon Brown was a disastrous PM, some have been really good,some poor,I will even resist putting my real view on the current one.
The post was in the main designed as to point out how things were when govts; took over from the other party,not their full period in office.

With a little more emphasis put on the last 2 govts:
The facts in that post show that the charge that Labour always leaves a mess to be cleared up is unust and wrong.
In fact, what often becomes the real mess needing clearing up is the self inflicted fact that when another party takes over in govt; they in part set out to dismantle what the previous one has been doing,which then often is instrumental in creating instability and bringing about 'unnecessary' problems to be dealt with too.
Both are guilty of that, not just one party.

[arista]

"Gordon Brown was a disastrous PM,"


Bang on Right
Wise Joey

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nicola Sturgeon was very good in a live 1 hour Your Call on 5 Live there with Nicky Campbell.

Tune in at 9am on Friday to hear Nigel Farage take the calls

should be good.




you can listen again here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/5live/programmes/schedules#on-now

[arista]

She I Love Her
Killing Labour MP's

Bloodbath
Bliss

[MTVN]

Andrew Neil ripped Bennett to shreds on the Daily Politics again, all this talk she gave about "wait for our fully costed manifesto" but it's barely credible, the economics don't work

[Kizzy]

Where are the costings for the 8m pledged for the NHS by the conservatives?
It's so annoying that some parties the greens and labour are continually pressed for figures prior to their manifesto outlining specific spending. Whilst the conservatives and lib dem are allowed to pluck figures from thin air and the electorate say 'oh wow aren't they wonderful 8 million! how generous...that will be such a big help'
It's just laughable.

[MTVN]

Elizabeth Truss got hammered by Neil as well, I don't see any media conspiracy in support of the coalition against the poor Labour and Greens. I agree the Tories need to explain more how they'll fund that and also where the major cuts will be made, and they've been criticised for that aplenty.

The Greens economics are pretty incoherent on a basic level though, like a failure to grasp that after a certain point you actually get less revenue coming in the higher you tax the income of the most wealthy - raising the top tax rate to 60p won't work and certainly is not likely to raise the Ł2b that the Greens are claiming. The Greens are also saying that they can raise Ł30bn in clamping down on tax avoidance - that's 6 times more than the Tories are saying they can raise and 5 times more than Labour think can be raised - what's the Green's secret? And from the BBC politics feed:

And the man who wrote the manifesto numbers, Brian Heatley, has told me they can't really be sure how much their new wealth tax would work because it hasn't been tried before. In a sense, refreshingly candid. In another way, extremely problematic for a party that wants to be taken seriously on a tax that they need to raise Ł20 billion. The Greens also say in their manifesto they would carry on spending more each year than the government gets from revenue. Does that mean deficits for ever? The Greens won't say

And this is all after we were told to wait for weeks before criticising Green policies because their fully costed manifesto would comprehensively cover everything. Doesn't seem that way.

[Livia]

I'm surprised at the amusement about David Cameron being told to "F*c* off back to Eton". (Am I surprised? Am I really...?). If someone told Labour MP Emily Thornberry to "F*c* off back to her council estate" the same people laughing at Cameron would be up in arms. It's fine to rip the piss out of someone because of their "class" so long as it's not the lower class. Seems like a ridiculously transparent double-standard to me.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm surprised at the amusement about David Cameron being told to "F*c* off back to Eton". (Am I surprised? Am I really...?). If someone told Labour MP Emily Thornberry to "F*c* off back to her council estate" the same people laughing at Cameron would be up in arms. It's fine to rip the piss out of someone because of their "class" so long as it's not the lower class. Seems like a ridiculously transparent double-standard to me.

Indeed it does.

Mind you, that lone protester on his day up North was pretty good going, he got a really good reception over all to be honest, even in Stockton.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Indeed it does.

Mind you, that lone protester on his day up North was pretty good going, he got a really good reception over all to be honest, even in Stockton.

Got to agree... one lone protester is amazing really.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm surprised at the amusement about David Cameron being told to "F*c* off back to Eton". (Am I surprised? Am I really...?). If someone told Labour MP Emily Thornberry to "F*c* off back to her council estate" the same people laughing at Cameron would be up in arms. It's fine to rip the piss out of someone because of their "class" so long as it's not the lower class. Seems like a ridiculously transparent double-standard to me.

Totally agree.

I wish everyone was like us where we hate everyone equally...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Indeed it does.

Mind you, that lone protester on his day up North was pretty good going, he got a really good reception over all to be honest, even in Stockton.

Stockton on Tees is that, I can actually see the Conservatives holding that seat even in a poor election for them overall.

They have in place there a first class MP to be fair in James Wharton, who deserves credit for some good hard work done in the region by him.

He and Rory Stewart for Penrith and the Borders should be rising stars of the Conservative party and could really transform the party the way they see things.

2 really good Northern constituency MPs in my view.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Stockton on Tees is that, I can actually see the Conservatives holding that seat even in a poor election for them overall.

They have in place there a first class MP to be fair in James Wharton, who deserves credit for some good hard work done in the region by him.

He and Rory Stewart for Penrith and the Borders should be rising stars of the Conservative party and could really transform the party the way they see things.

2 really good Northern constituency MPs in my view.

STOCKTON South might just hold their seat Joey, not too sure mind, a very tight margin.
I must say, James and Rory are two of the brighter stars in the Tory party for me.
James is my MP and he has indeed worked hard for us locally.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by smudgie

STOCKTON South might just hold their seat Joey, not too sure mind, a very tight margin.
I must say, James and Rory are two of the brighter stars in the Tory party for me.
James is my MP and he has indeed worked hard for us locally.

James Wharton is a really good guy,I know some people feel he could have done better with his private members bill than going for the EU referendum with it.

At least he tried to get the date set in stone and it is disappointing he didn't get the full support of his party in that to ensure it succeeded.

He is as you say a really hard working MP,decent guy totally.

[arista]

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

I love the Labour-SNP deal will raise taxes warns Bank



and we are listening to what Banks say because why?

[Kizzy]

'We are the party of working people'

So... er, if you don't have a job or are too physically or mentally incapable to work can you just die please?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'We are the party of working people'

So... er, if you don't have a job or are too physically or mentally incapable to work can you just die please?

no

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'We are the party of working people'

So... er, if you don't have a job or are too physically or mentally incapable to work can you just die please?

That has a ring of truth as to it really Kizzy.

Some have,in part more than probably, due to the stress and hardship caused by policies enacted by this govt: