[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't see why it can't go ahead, Saviles did... Just because he's now infirm doesn't mean it didn't happen, I say the victims deserve this to be heard.

It can't go ahead for the reasons stated in Joey's post, this is my second time posting this as the first one was removed due to my alleged insulting language.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

It can't go ahead for the reasons stated in Joey's post, this is my second time posting this as the first one was removed due to my alleged insulting language.

Then wait till the old pervert is dead and have one... what's the problem, why does it have to be swept under the carpet because the dirty old man has lost his marbles?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then wait till the old pervert is dead and have one... what's the problem, why does it have to be swept under the carpet because the dirty old man has lost his marbles?

It isn't going to be swept under the carpet Kizzy, the DPP was on the news tonight and said a mechanism is in place where the victims can get their stories/allegations publicly aired as in an inquiry.

There was no court case for Jimmy Saville,there was and still is inquiries going on as to his hospital crimes but there will be no court case.

The same with this guy, since he is now unable to understand what would be going on and cannot even be interviewed either as there would be no point.
No punishment or sentence would be able to be given, hence no prosecution.

She did state,an outlet would be there for the victims to state their issues,likely publicly if they wished it so but that is as far as it can go if someone cannot understand what is going on around them.
You have to be able to hear both sides in a court to make a judgement,that is impossible to do in this case.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It isn't going to be swept under the carpet Kizzy, the DPP was on the news tonight and said a mechanism is in place where the victims can get their stories/allegations publicly aired as in an inquiry.

There was no court case for Jimmy Saville,there was and still is inquiries going on as to his hospital crimes but there will be no court case.

The same with this guy, since he is now unable to understand what would be going on and cannot even be interviewed either as there would be no point.
No punishment or sentence would be able to be given, hence no prosecution.

She did state,an outlet would be there for the victims to state their issues,likely publicly if they wished it so but that is as far as it can go if someone cannot understand what is going on around them.
You have to be able to hear both sides in a court to make a judgement,that is impossible to do in this case.

That's good then, an inquiry or whatever just something to air what the grievances are against this man and anyone else involved in the previous investigations in the 90s.
Why has it taken so long? It's so frustrating that these people manage to slither under the radar and evade paying for their crimes while hiding behind a false facade of respectability as part of the establishment.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's good then, an inquiry or whatever just something to air what the grievances are against this man and anyone else involved in the previous investigations in the 90s.
Why has it taken so long? It's so frustrating that these people manage to slither under the radar and evade paying for their crimes while hiding behind a false facade of respectability as part of the establishment.

I'm pretty sure this is going to be revelation year in this respect. Unfortunately, because it has gone so high up the chain, we have had to wait until the people are so old/dead that they can no longer influence the decision makers, and so the information comes out. We may already be shocked, but I bet there are some very big names yet to come out.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I'm pretty sure this is going to be revelation year in this respect. Unfortunately, because it has gone so high up the chain, we have had to wait until the people are so old/dead that they can no longer influence the decision makers, and so the information comes out. We may already be shocked, but I bet there are some very big names yet to come out.

I totally agree, I just hope they do come out and aren't shielded as they have been. Those making the laws given free reign to break them? blurgh!

[Mystic Mock]

Am I the only one thinking that his got the best punishment with his Dementia? I know it sounds sick but that sounds like sweet justice for a paedophile.

[Kizzy]

No, it would be better if he got some stinging fatal knob rot.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

2 of the Doctors official medical reports were ordered and actioned by the DPP to be done before the DPP went about deciding if he could stand trial and understand what was going on as to court proceedings.

Those medical reports confirmed the other 2 from other Doctors,,there are 4 reports in all,even stating he would not be able to even instruct his lawyers

He was independently examined and assessed and sadly at this point in time,as I am sure you know already, dementia cannot be reversed or for that matter improved.

Yes we know All that
it was Clear on the News all day.



And Yes he has no way of knowing whats going on
That is why he never goes in Court

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No, it would be better if he got some stinging fatal knob rot.

Are you suggesting we send arista to meet him? Thats Biological warfare.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Am I the only one thinking that his got the best punishment with his Dementia? I know it sounds sick but that sounds like sweet justice for a paedophile.

No
as he does not know whats going on.


Meanwhile
those boys he Raped
can go in court as they on older now
and tell the World how Evil he was.

He will be found Guilty
but no one will tell him.


Do you know his Family say he has done nothing wrong
but they were not at the London room.



Never Use Joey on a Legal Issue

[Mystic Mock]

I think Joey tbf is quite balanced in his view which is quite good going into Law.

Me and Kizzy however could struggle as we do tend to go down the one side lol.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I think Joey tbf is quite balanced in his view which is quite good going into Law.

Me and Kizzy however could struggle as we do tend to go down the one side lol.

The Police Chief
has said it can still go to court,
without that Evil man there

I Trust him

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I think Joey tbf is quite balanced in his view which is quite good going into Law.

Me and Kizzy however could struggle as we do tend to go down the one side lol.

I know Joey is right, fair minded and balanced it's what I admire most about him, I definitely go to one side on this you're right, it really sticks in my craw that he wasn't made to face a judge for what not 1 but 20 men accuse him of, child abuse.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

No
as he does not know whats going on.


Meanwhile
those boys he Raped
can go in court as they on older now
and tell the World how Evil he was.

He will be found Guilty
but no one will tell him.


Do you know his Family say he has done nothing wrong
but they were not at the London room.



Never Use Joey on a Legal Issue

When did you become lawyer arista? I must have missed that somehow.

I told you everything that was possible as to this case going to court, you now should know it cannot for the reasons stated by the Director of Public Prosecutions herself.
You told me to watch Channel 4 news last night, well if you did, you would have heard her say everything I was saying.

I am not in any way intentionally to likely post something I know not to be true and with respect I may have better idea of the law and for that matter what the law can do than you since I studied it for 3 years at Uni and have done a further year since too.

All I have said was borne out yesterday by the DPP, so kindly stop this getting at me and saying I know nothing when with respect I likely already know a good sight more than you, especially on how the law works in the UK, since you think there can be a court case, whicjh there cannot be.

If you can only insult people then avoid them arista.
My word is my bond and that is something I fight very hard to make sure that my word can be trusted.

So very forcefully with regret,I urge you to retract that last part of your post and please stop getting at people who are simply telling the truth and facts as they are, and not how you think they should be.

[Livia]

arista, you need to change your thread title. It says this man is guilty when he hasn't been tried.

[arista]

Reports are now in that a week before he was
reviewed by dodgy doctors
he was sending notes to the House of Lords.

There is a Stink now

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

arista, you need to change your thread title. It says this man is guilty when he hasn't been tried.

Done

[arista]

[Tom4784]

It's sad that charges couldn't have been brought against him when he was well enough to be tried for his crimes.

It's the DoJ's fault for not being able to build a case sooner.

[Kizzy]

Apparently they knew nothing about it.....hmmmm.

A former director of public prosecutions has criticised Crown Prosecution Service officials for failing to present him with new evidence in 2007 of the Labour peer Lord Janner’s alleged abuse of children.

Lord Macdonald QC said that instead of passing on allegations of serious sexual offences against Janner, local CPS officials in Leicestershire dropped the pursuit of charges without consulting headquarters in London.

His comments shed more light on how Janner escaped prosecution for eight years, following a third police inquiry into claims that he abused a number of young boys.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...ormer-dpp-says

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's sad that charges couldn't have been brought against him when he was well enough to be tried for his crimes.

It's the DoJ's fault for not being able to build a case sooner.

Yes
but New Labour were in Power


something is being hidden

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

.............Never Use Joey on a Legal Issue

Joey's posts on this thread have been informed and well-thought through demonstrating his knowledge of the law. You could do a LOT worse than take his professional opinion on board.

[joeysteele]

The Conservatives were in power too in 1991 when this all first surfaced.

Anyway no cheap political point scoring from me, all I will say is there clearly are issues as to him and Cyril Smith particularly.
However the fact his health makes it impossible for him to 'understand' a trial,will mean little will come of it as to any sentencing or punishment,which still makes a trial in the true meaning of the word, pointless, although there can be some inquiry.

Maybe one Doctor could be wrong but not 4, and 2 of those who examined him were ordered by the CPS directly, so it is probably pure speculation as to dodgy Doctors.

The one fact I believe lies behind all of these instances is that every single party will likely have previous MPs who have been involved in cases like this.
Which is why we need that dossier found and published and whoever may be Home Secretary after the election must ensure some inquiry is put in place and these issues addressed for the genuine victims.

I would guess all parties however are biting their nails at the possibility of this can of worms being opened up for all to see and hear about.

[bots]

This is not about political parties, this is about individuals in positions of influence looking after their friends. In days gone by it was very common to ask a friend to help you out if they were in a position to influence the result. This manifested itself in people being employed if they went to the correct school etc etc, and applied to all walks of life, across the board.

Times have changed, and this is no longer appropriate, but clearly some "friends" didn't know what lines couldn't be crossed in their willingness to get people out of a spot of bother. Its all going to come out, but I can easily see it applying to many many high ranking individuals of a certain age across the entire political spectrum.