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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Kirkby have to be honest and say that I'm really not convinced by the logic that he's unlikely to be lying just because he has a track record of lying. I said on another thread, Farage himself talks a good talk but something seriously stinks about a LOT of other UKIP politicians. Which makes me suspect that these are the true undercurrents of the party, and Nige has been put in the place of the "snake's head" BECAUSE he is a skilled speaker, convincing, a master manipulator.

If they were actually to gain any sort of power and their true colours come to light and are as putrid as many of us believe them to be... Then it would be a disaster. It seems like a huge gamble, to me, to "give him a chance" just because we can't be 100% sure that he's a liar like the rest of them. You must know that he probably is. He's a politician. I mean look at what everyone "believed" about the intentions of the "unproven" Clegg and a Lib Dems, and then look at what they actually did.

[edit] lol! This post is supposed to start "kirk I have to be honest", but I'm not changing it because "Kirkby" is a brilliant new nickname...

The Conservative Party in its infancy, and even during its maturity, has had more than its fair share of Racists and Little Englanders who gravitated towards the party because its policies more closely aligned with their own views than the other parties.

The Labour Party, similarly has had more than its fair share of Communists and Marxists who joined it for the same reasons ; that its policies more closely aligned with their own views than the other parties.

And we will not mention that both parties harboured real TRAITORS to this country in the shape of Kim Philby, Donald Maclean, Guy Burgess and Anthony Blunt --- Oh I just did, sorry.

As for 'lying' -- EVERY PARTY LEADER has not only LIED as PARTY LEADERS but more importantly LIED while PRIME MINISTER if they've held power. Farage is a Novice by comparison.

Farage is the victim of very clever, well funded, and well placed propagandists who resurrect certain views which he may have opinionated in his past, in order to 'embarrass' him now by re-quoting them.

Is not Farage allowed to change his mind? Is a person not allowed to change their opinion?

Is a Party Leader not entitled to hold opinions which because they have been vetoed by his party in a democratic ballot, he cannot express as Party Policy?

Do we really believe that Cameron and Milliband, and EVERY Political Party leader of the past HAVE NOT held PERSONAL VIEWS which ran contrary to the party line?

There is no justification for 'scare-mongering' about what Farage may or may not do if he ever won an election, the fact is that IF he did turn out to try to implement policies which were damaging to this country (and he would be in good company if he did and only following ALL the PM's before him) then one solitary four year term is NOT sufficient for such adverse policies to be damaging at all, because he would most certainly NOT be in power for a second term if that were to be the case.

With Farage as PM, opinions as to what damaging policies he MIGHT implement are but WILD SPECULATION -- with both LABOUR and the TORIES THEIR continual damaging policies ARE DEFINITE HISTORICAL FACT.