[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Fair enough on your other points.

But you keep misunderstanding the Labour part, they themselves are extreme Islamic lovers, that's the group that they support on everything and allow them more leniency than any other group in the UK.

Source, please.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Source, please.

There's no source to prove it.

I lived in Birmingham during Labour's terms and lets just say that for some reason the Muslim children got away with much more naughtier behaviour than me or anybody else was getting away with, and I know that the Tories have this in place too, but I've always thought that it was unfair that the Muslim children got to take time off for Eid and Christmas.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

There's no source to prove it.

I lived in Birmingham during Labour's terms and lets just say that for some reason the Muslim children got away with much more naughtier behaviour than me or anybody else was getting away with, and I know that the Tories have this in place too, but I've always thought that it was unfair that the Muslim children got to take time off for Eid and Christmas.

Participating in Eid makes you an extreme muslim?

You are NOT ready to learn about ISIS.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Participating in Eid makes you an extreme muslim?

You are NOT ready to learn about ISIS.

No it doesn't.

But allowing them to have two Festive Holidays where they can take time off whilst everybody else only really has the one is very unfair imo.

And what's ISIS?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

There's no source to prove it.

I lived in Birmingham during Labour's terms and lets just say that for some reason the Muslim children got away with much more naughtier behaviour than me or anybody else was getting away with, and I know that the Tories have this in place too, but I've always thought that it was unfair that the Muslim children got to take time off for Eid and Christmas.

It was also true however that the Conservatives and Lib Dems were the ones running Birmingham City Council for many years,that also didn't do anything about that Mock, and the Councils are much closer to such issues than govt:.

Labour only recently,in the last year or 2, wrestled Birmingham Council from the Conservatives and Lib Dems,who were running it together for ages.

I could agree however that there is an imbalance as to some religious tolerance of some, while not wanting to open up a religious battle here, lets say Christian children no longer get what are called sort of holydays off while those of other faiths in some areas or cases likely do.
I do get where you are coming from.

However, if you think Labour had or have any intention of really privatising the NHS,well see what happens if the Conservatives get their hands on the NHS for another 5 years.
It will be clearly seen,once their hidden agenda towards the NHS comes forward again,after the election is over, what privatisation will really take place.
Not this time as a stopgap,or small holding in the NHS but throughout it completely.

While maybe it is right or not to hold Labour responsible for the crisis that hit almost everywhere in the financial world, due to the bankers creating the banking/financial crisis and in part contributing to the global recessions that came with it.

Labour had, to be fair, 11 continuous years of growth and no recessions between 1997 to 2007.
The criticism I would make of Labour was not of economic incompetence but lack of investment in the economy, even when it wasn't needed to invest in it,to ensure protection for any dark crisis that may come along.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It was also true however that the Conservatives and Lib Dems were the ones running Birmingham City Council for many years,that also didn't do anything about that Mock, and the Councils are much closer to such issues than govt:.

Labour only recently,in the last year or 2, wrestled Birmingham Council from the Conservatives and Lib Dems,who were running it together for ages.

I could agree however that there is an imbalance as to some religious tolerance of some, while not wanting to open up a religious battle here, lets say Christian children no longer get what are called sort of holydays off while those of other faiths in some areas or cases likely do.
I do get where you are coming from.

However, if you think Labour had or have any intention of really privatising the NHS,well see what happens if the Conservatives get their hands on the NHS for another 5 years.
It will be clearly seen,once their hidden agenda towards the NHS comes forward again,after the election is over, what privatisation will really take place.
Not this time as a stopgap,or small holding in the NHS but throughout it completely.

While maybe it is right or not to hold Labour responsible for the crisis that hit almost everywhere in the financial world, due to the bankers creating the banking/financial crisis and in part contributing to the global recessions that came with it.

Labour had, to be fair, 11 continuous years of growth and no recessions between 1997 to 2007.
The criticism I would make of Labour was not of economic incompetence but lack of investment in the economy, even when it wasn't needed to invest in it,to ensure protection for any dark crisis that may come along.

Hello Joey, I agree with you that the NHS will be privatised more under Conservatives, but I just felt like pointing out that it's not safe under Labour or UKIP.

I do hate how Conservatives keep privatising all the UK's big firms and Health Services though.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Hello Joey, I agree with you that the NHS will be privatised more under Conservatives, but I just felt like pointing out that it's not safe under Labour or UKIP.

I do hate how Conservatives keep privatising all the UK's big firms and Health Services though.

IF UKIP Were ever to attain power and ever try to privatise the NHS or try to dismantle it, I will give EVERY penny I have to Joey Steel to donate to the Labour Party campaign fund - THAT's how confident I am that talk of them doing so is propaganda.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

IF UKIP Were ever to attain power and ever try to privatise the NHS or try to dismantle it, I will give EVERY penny I have to Joey Steel to donate to the Labour Party campaign fund - THAT's how confident I am that talk of them doing so is propaganda.

Apart of right wing policies is the privatisation of everything.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Apart of right wing policies is the privatisation of everything.

Not true Mock. There is nothing at all wrong with advocating certain private Health Care Policies which people can elect to enrol in if they can afford it - it alleviates the burden on the NHS. There may be nothing wrong either in tendering out to private contractors certain non-medical elements of the NHS - as long as the contracting process is overseen to be scrupulous and the successful bids are cost effective.

There is too much institutional corruption in the NHS and far too many bureaucrats on Ł100K pa or more.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

IF UKIP Were ever to attain power and ever try to privatise the NHS or try to dismantle it, I will give EVERY penny I have to Joey Steel to donate to the Labour Party campaign fund - THAT's how confident I am that talk of them doing so is propaganda.

Drat, you almost promise me every penny you have when you know it will not come about.

I will concede that Nigel Farage leading UKIP,now likely will not desire to move to private healthcare.
My worry remains that in any dealing with the Conservatives,he may agree to their hidden agenda in order to get other things.
I do also still have anxieties as to what other UKIP candidates really feel too

For me at this time, it is the Conservatives in my view, who present the real dangers to the NHS and its founding principles.

There is the 'shelved' extreme part of the re-organsation,which they couldn't get through with Lib Dem support, that will I feel for sure be brought back into play again, and I think that part of the re-organisation would have extended private involvement to a greater scale in the NHS.

Then that opens the door to even more, 'introduction' of more privatisation.
I have not a single ounce of trust in the Conservatives under David Cameron to protect the NHS.

I'd rather you keep your money Kirk,
I would rather the Conservatives under David Cameron were not trusted and not given 5 more years of running the NHS.
I will campaign right to the last minute,with all my energy, hoping to even persuade just one person thinking of trusting them with it and turning them off doing so.
Thankfully,a lot of people I have talked to this last week, only need the gentle reminder that he promised no top down re-organisation and then did it,to get them thinking again.

For me, that speaks volumes negatively about him,how such a policy, not in his manifesto, not in the Lib Dem manifesto and then promised by him to never be going to be done,not presented to the voters and no voter having the chance to vote for it either,how that could in any way come to be part of a coalition agreement is totally beyond me.

If he can be as devious and misleading as that, on that policy and the way he got it enacted too, one can be understandably left wondering what other things he really should not, and indeed cannot, be trusted on too.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Drat, you almost promise me every penny you have when you know it will not come about.

I will concede that Nigel Farage leading UKIP,now likely will not desire to move to private healthcare.
My worry remains that in any dealing with the Conservatives,he may agree to their hidden agenda in order to get other things.
I do also still have anxieties as to what other UKIP candidates really feel too

For me at this time, it is the Conservatives in my view, who present the real dangers to the NHS and its founding principles.

There is the 'shelved' extreme part of the re-organsation,which they couldn't get through with Lib Dem support, that will I feel for sure be brought back into play again, and I think that part of the re-organisation would have extended private involvement to a greater scale in the NHS.

Then that opens the door to even more, 'introduction' of more privatisation.
I have not a single ounce of trust in the Conservatives under David Cameron to protect the NHS.

I'd rather you keep your money Kirk,
I would rather the Conservatives under David Cameron were not trusted and not given 5 more years of running the NHS.
I will campaign right to the last minute,with all my energy, hoping to even persuade just one person thinking of trusting them with it and turning them off doing so.
Thankfully,a lot of people I have talked to this last week, only need the gentle reminder that he promised no top down re-organisation and then did it,to get them thinking again.

For me, that speaks volumes negatively about him,how such a policy, not in his manifesto, not in the Lib Dem manifesto and then promised by him to never be going to be done,not presented to the voters and no voter having the chance to vote for it either,how that could in any way come to be part of a coalition agreement is totally beyond me.

If he can be as devious and misleading as that, on that policy and the way he got it enacted too, one can be understandably left wondering what other things he really should not, and indeed cannot, be trusted on too.

Am I stupid Joey?

Off topic - and on the subject of Cameron and TRUST - have you heard the news this morning?

Seemingly unrelated articles;

Mortgage rates to fall. HSBC announces 5 year Fixed Rate Mortgage below 2%.

UK Exports to grow dramatically by 5.9% this year according to top 'Independent' (lol) Think Tank, (Ernst & Young) E.Y. ITEM CLUB.

Such FREAKY Synchronicity (sorry LT) Such COINCIDENCE --- On the eve of an ELECTION and here we have a DOUBLE WHAMMY of absolutely FANTASTIC NEWS.

Massively discounted Social Housing sales, Massively discounted Bank Shares sales, Massively Rising exports, Massive Reduction in Mortgage Rates ---

Kirk wanders off in a stupor - half delirious, his brain a muddle of thoughts and phrases; 'Deus ex machina', 'White Rabbit From Hat' .... Oh! It's all too wonderful.... Disappears over the horizon.. Then; Kirk's wonderful baritone voice singing : "Oh What a beautiful Morning", 'O Happy Days" . "Everything's Coming Up Roses" ....... SILENCE.... followed by a solitary gunshot.