[MTVN]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

If it wasn't for the charities as Smudgie said, there likely would be fewer foodbanks,which would probably mean an even worse situation for those 'deemed' in poverty and needing that emergency assistance.
Not that we would likely hear of much of that,if that were the case.

Many charities,across the board, are clearing up the mess of both govts; over the last decade or so,however it is only this govt; who has cut charitable funding, so now it is even more stretched charities also dealing with the foodbank necessity.

It is shoppers in the main who supply the goods given out,which is wonderful to see and massively welcome.
However, charities should be being aided by govt; to make this service available,not have their funding cut to the bone and still be expected to.

The criteria for the use of foodbanks, remains the same too as it was before 2010, the CAB,social services, or charitable/welfare organisations have to assess people and refer them to a foodbank otherwise they cannot use them,resources are way too low.

Sure but the huge increase in the number of food banks means that more people can now be referred surely, the supply has finally started to catch up with a need that was always there. I can understand the criticism of cutting charity funding but the Trussell Trust has never received government funding anyway, and I suppose there's always a risk that when charities are government funded they might lose their independence which is so important to their operations

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Sure but the huge increase in the number of food banks means that more people can now be referred surely, the supply has finally started to catch up with a need that was always there. I can understand the criticism of cutting charity funding but the Trussell Trust has never received government funding anyway, and I suppose there's always a risk that when charities are government funded they might lose their independence which is so important to their operations

They are good points too.
However I didn't say the Trussell trust got funding, it is some other charities that to get funding from the govt; for their work,that have had the funding reduced or even stopped altogether.
They are the charities that in part help assess and find those who need help with food and then get them referred to the foodbanks.

The Trussel trust relies on companies and shoppers for the goods they can give out as emergency food rations for a limited time.
The very fact the word ration has to be used again is one of the saddest for me.

I just think it wrong that in my Country, the UK,in the 21st century that anyone,has to use something called a foodbank.
While those in power do not a thing to alter the situation.
It makes me feel shame as to what is supposed to be a great Nation, even when I am just helping out at one.

Now, Kazanne made another good point,as to wasted food.
Across the UK everyday, food still edible is being thrown out left,right and centre.
Companies could do a lot more to solve that,firstly by reducing the price in the first place and although I am against vouchers,the govt; could give a card to vulnerable people that would get them something like 25% off the cost of their shopping,possibly say once a month.
All that would help and it would be surprising how much it would too.
Leaving people with dignity still, and addressing the problem in some way at least at likely very little cost too.

That is just something I am just throwing out that I think could be done by govt;and enacted by supermarkets.
For instance, places can offer 10% off here and there for Pensioners and Students for goods and services,so clearly it can be easy to do.
My annoyance is govts; don't even look at what they could do to help.

Then charities could get back to giving advice and practical support as to their various identities,the way they used to before having to take on, vulnerable people, needing help now and then, with food.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

They are good points too.
However I didn't say the Trussell trust got funding, it is some other charities that to get funding from the govt; for their work,that have had the funding reduced or even stopped altogether.
They are the charities that in part help assess and find those who need help with food and then get them referred to the foodbanks.

The Trussel trust relies on companies and shoppers for the goods they can give out as emergency food rations for a limited time.
The very fact the word ration has to be used again is one of the saddest for me.

I just think it wrong that in my Country, the UK,in the 21st century that anyone,has to use something called a foodbank.
While those in power do not a thing to alter the situation.
It makes me feel shame as to what is supposed to be a great Nation, even when I am just helping out at one.

Now, Kazanne made another good point,as to wasted food.
Across the UK everyday, food still edible is being thrown out left,right and centre.
Companies could do a lot more to solve that,firstly by reducing the price in the first place and although I am against vouchers,the govt; could give a card to vulnerable people that would get them something like 25% off the cost of their shopping,possibly say once a month.
All that would help and it would be surprising how much it would too.
Leaving people with dignity still, and addressing the problem in some way at least at likely very little cost too.

That is just something I am just throwing out that I think could be done by govt;and enacted by supermarkets.
For instance, places can offer 10% off here and there for Pensioners and Students for goods and services,so clearly it can be easy to do.
My annoyance is govts; don't even look at what they could do to help.

Then charities could get back to giving advice and practical support as to their various identities,the way they used to before having to take on, vulnerable people, needing help now and then, with food.

labour will create even more poverty with their anti small business insanity....more expensive time consuming rules and regs, more EU enslavement, scrapping zero hours contracts (even for seasonal part time jobs or commission jobs all based on sales or performance levels - INSANE) no fall in vat, minimum wage rising again....all of this whacks small business employers every time and loses jobs

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

labour will create even more poverty with their anti small business insanity....more expensive time consuming rules and regs, more EU enslavement, scrapping zero hours contracts (even for seasonal part time jobs or commission jobs all based on sales or performance levels - INSANE) no fall in vat, minimum wage rising again....all of this whacks small business employers every time and loses jobs

I disagree 100% as to that.I see no reason why they should or would.

For me, the sooner zero hours contracts are a thing of the past, except for those who 'really' want them, the better too.

You will never get a fall in VAT from any major party,it is the easiest and quickest tax to bring in.
However Labour has yet to increase Vat in govt; actually since it was first brought in.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I disagree 100% as to that.I see no reason why they should or would.

For me, the sooner zero hours contracts are a thing of the past, except for those who 'really' want them, the better too.

You will never get a fall in VAT from any major party,it is the easiest and quickest tax to bring in.
However Labour has yet to increase Vat in govt; actually since it was first brought in.

1) your answer is anti economic nonsense, clearly you've never employed people. The majority like zero hour contracts, they help create jobs when an employed doesn't know if there will be enough guaranteed work for the next 6 to 12 months, especially if its seasonal or sales etc
2) Labour brought it down so youre wrong.
3) labour brought in endless stealth taxes and only changed the vat and tax right at the end, when it was all too little too late
4) these mindless policies added to the 3000 plus new labour laws, stealth taxes, European constitution signed up to by labour, 587 pages of mostly unreadable laws, all hurts employers and jobs. this is why the European countries are in such a diabolical mess. youth unemployment is over 50% in several nations, the overall unemployment rate is over 12%. you help employers, you help them create jobs, jobs create wealth , wealth pays the bills, the taxes, pays the nhs the police, the council, everything...all the wealth comes from the private employers and youre ideas are destroying them and their job creation

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

1) your answer is anti economic nonsense, clearly you've never employed people. The majority like zero hour contracts, they help create jobs when an employed doesn't know if there will be enough guaranteed work for the next 6 to 12 months, especially if its seasonal or sales etc
2) Labour brought it down so youre wrong.
3) labour brought in endless stealth taxes and only changed the vat and tax right at the end, when it was all too little too late
4) these mindless policies added to the 3000 plus new labour laws, stealth taxes, European constitution signed up to by labour, 587 pages of mostly unreadable laws, all hurts employers and jobs. this is why the European countries are in such a diabolical mess. youth unemployment is over 50% in several nations, the overall unemployment rate is over 12%. you help employers, you help them create jobs, jobs create wealth , wealth pays the bills, the taxes, pays the nhs the police, the council, everything...all the wealth comes from the private employers and youre ideas are destroying them and their job creation

No and if I ever did employ people I would give them proper hours and not zero hours contracts.
I know people on them and they hate them they haven't a clue what they will be earning one week to the next.
While their 'bosses' know exactly what they will be getting.

Absolute rubbish,with respect,that so many need to be on zero hours contracts.
Also anyone that is should still be classed as not being fully employed too.

The rest of your post,I dispute as to its conclusions.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

please don't EVER start any business, you will go bust within a year and owe a lot of money some of which will be to incompetent or unreliable or in some cases dishonest staff who will milk you for sickness....your business ideas are incredibly destructive and dangerous which is why I have had to speak to you very plainly

I don't appreciate the off topic slurs if you wish to discuss employment law make your own thread please.