[arista]

Thats Fine with me Ed.

[Ed Miliband has said if being prime minister meant
a deal with the SNP then there would be no Labour government.
It is the furthest the Labour leader has gone on ruling out any
agreement with the Scottish National Party,
leaving little wriggle room for post 7 May negotiations.]


http://news.sky.com/story/1475500/mi...an-do-snp-deal

[Kizzy]

I hope he can.

[MB.]

Congratulations David.

[arista]

[the truth]

hes just given away any remote chance he had.....without snp labour cannot win
theyre predicted to see 283 tories, 270 labour, 48 snp, 24 liberals 1 or 2 ukip, 1 or 2 plaed, a handful of greens

so he has to go with snp or lose?

nice one dave???????

[smudgie]

I am afraid he is talking out of his bottom.

If there are deals to be done, they will be done.
Just not A deal.

[reece(:]

Extremely asinine thing to say.

[Firewire]

not miss nicola being shunned

[the truth]

it would though be the biggest lie in british electoral history to state categorically again and again that he wont form a government with the snp....they form a government with the snp

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by the truth

it would though be the biggest lie in british electoral history to state categorically again and again that he wont form a government with the snp....they form a government with the snp

Indeed it will....but he will turn it to stretching the truth.
In the same way he keeps insisting non doms don't pay tax.

[the truth]

im actually a labour voter at heart....I like income redistribution...I want to see the industries reborn....I like to see the jobs spread across the uk and the investments..were way too London centric..i want strong workers rights good healthcare for all etc

but new labour are pure evil

cmaeron and the tories have done a better job for the nhs uk than welsh labour....though I understand welsh labour have a more limited budget....they should have made more welfare reforms and middle management reforms but they cant as theyre enslaved to those unions

[Crimson Dynamo]

i just dont get his strategy

[Nedusa]

I get the feeling that when push comes to shove Mr Miliband will do a deal with the Devil himself if it means he can become PM.

He desperately wants to form the next Govt as PM and will do a deal with anybody and everybody, he certainly won't let the wishes of the electorate stand in his way. And words like honour, truth, sincerity etc.... Well they just that... words

[Northern Monkey]

It will look very bad if he goes back on it.I would say that i would lose all respect for him but....

[joeysteele]

He doesn't need to do any deal at all, really the SNP have said clearly loads of times, they will not allow a Conservative govt; to be in power if they have the numbers to prevent that.
Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon know,if they did anything that brought that about,then they too would pay a heavy price for that with Scots voters afterwards.

If after May 8th,it is clear the Conservatives have not got the support from other parties in parliament to get a Queen's speech passed, then it will be up to Ed Miliband to put forward a Queen's speech.
Which he can easily do as a then minority Labour govt:

The SNP then have to decide with no talking to Labour at all,whether they will support that Queen's speech or vote aginst,which would then open the door to David Cameron trying to get one passed,which the SNP could never ever support,
That would then open the door to a new general election.

The SNP have the Holyrood elections next year,no way would they want another general election, finances will be stretched to the limit.

Ed Miliband, then only needs to call the bluff of the SNP as to the Queen's speech vote,without any deals whatsoever and last night he indicated clearly,he would rather not take office than do a formal deal with the SNP.
So a likely new general election would be the outcome if the SNP have the numbers to prevent both parties governing.
He rarely ever changes his mind on things once he rules them out.
He has now ruled out coalition and confidence and supply too.

Would the SNP really not support a Labour Queen's speech over a Conservative one,I think not and once they have supported it then they couldn't really in the future vote against the major contents of it.

I see nothing wrong with Labour doing a deal with the SNP, if the Scottish part of the UK elects large umbers of them to Westminster.
I would welcome a deal, however he has stated, it would be a minority Labour govt; he would lead.

It is then for the other parties to decide, do they allow him to govern or bring him down and allow the Conservatives into power,or force another geeral election.

For the SNP, that really could be political suicide if they brought that about.
It is in fact in the scenario above, Ed Miliband who has the upper hand as to the SNP no matter what occurs in Scotland on My 7th..

[Crimson Dynamo]

He is happy to lead a minority govt as the SNP have done with success in Scotland

Kinnocks son said so on LBC earlier today

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I get the feeling that when push comes to shove Mr Miliband will do a deal with the Devil himself if it means he can become PM.

He desperately wants to form the next Govt as PM and will do a deal with anybody and everybody, he certainly won't let the wishes of the electorate stand in his way. And words like honour, truth, sincerity etc.... Well they just that... words

I think you are wrong on that one Nedusa,he could have promised and EU referendum and even had UKIP on board with him nore than they would for the Conservatives.
However he has stuck firm to his word on that,he doesn't change his mind, I really belive he would rather have another general election than now do any formal deals with the SNP.

They will have to decide what road they want to take the UK down,a minority Labour govt; or a Conservative led govt; or a new general election.
If they brought about the latter 2, the SNP would,I am sure, be slated heavily in Scotland by Scots voters.

As yet Ed Miliband has not broken his word as leader on anything to be fair to him or altered his thinking once making his mind up on issues.

[MTVN]

Think I'd actually rather a Labour-SNP coalition than a situation where a Labour minority has to painstakingly win the support of the Nats on every single issue constantly having to offer concessions to push through any legislation at all

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Think I'd actually rather a Labour-SNP coalition than a situation where a Labour minority has to painstakingly win the support of the Nats on every single issue constantly having to offer concessions to push through any legislation at all

It can be easy though MTVN, the SNP have operated a minority situation for 4 years in Scotland before 2011,they know the importance of stability.

A minority govt; can be a stable one if most of the parliamenary MPs elected, are happy for it to govern and really hate the alternative.

The SNP will know the important votes and all they need to do is be there for them to ensure that stability of govt; which they will be,they cannot just hang around Scotland.

He will also have the Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SDLP in Northen Ireland against the Conservatives too.
his could be,if it is the case, one fo the stronger govts; the UK has had, as it would command more parties supporting it in the Commons.

The current predictions are Labour 274 seats, the Conservatives 281,the SNP 55.
If that was the case, no way could the Conservatives ever govern without support from the SNP,so stability can be assured even likely with no deal whatsoever that could either compromise Labour or in fact the SNP too.

Me, myself agree, I'd rather a Labour/SNP coalition but both have ruled that out so the SNP are not seeking ministerial posts or even a formal agreement either.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nicola Sturgeon tonight warned Ed Miliband he will not be able to pass a Labour Budget unless he agrees to SNP demands - despite the Labour leader's claim that he would not do any deals.


The Scottish First Minister talked up her chances of being Westminster's king-maker following next week's election, with polls still pointing to another hung parliament


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[MTVN]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It can be easy thugh MTVN, the SNP have operated a minority situation for 4 years in Scotland before 2011,they know the importance of stability.

A minority govt; can be a stable one if most of the parliamenary MPs elected, are happy for it to govern and really hate the alternative.

The SNP will know the important votes and all they need to do is be there for them to ensure that stability of govt; which they will be,they cannot just hang around Scotland.

He will also have the Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SDLP in Northen Ireland against the Conservatives too.
his could be,if it is the case, one fo the stronger govts; the UK has had, as it would command more parties supporting it in the Commons.

The current predictions are Labour 274 seats, the Conservatives 281,the SNP 55.
If that was the case, no way could the Conservatives ever govern without support from the SNP,so stability can be assured even likely with no deal whatsoever that could either compromise Labour or in fact the SNP too.

Me, myself agree, I'd rather a Labour/SNP coalition but both have ruled that out so the SNP are not seeking ministerial posts or even a formal agreement either.

It's far from ideal though, I believe the SNP once had their budget defeated as a minority government in Scotland. I think we'd be likely to see 5 years of stand offs: The SNP will not want to be seen doing anything to help the Tories but they will also not want to be seen giving unqualified support for a Labour minority. They will want to extract some key concessions and would probably be justified in predicating their support for Labour on gaining those, Labour's position will be constantly insecure if the main opposition party has more seats than the government.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's far from ideal though, I believe the SNP once had their budget defeated as a minority government in Scotland. I think we'd be likely to see 5 years of stand offs: The SNP will not want to be seen doing anything to help the Tories but they will also not want to be seen giving unqualified support for a Labour minority. They will want to extract some key concessions and would probably be justified in predicating their support for Labour on gaining those, Labour's position will be constantly insecure if the main opposition party has more seats than the government.

If things stay as they are,I really can see Miliband digging his heels in and preferring another election that the SNP will have then forced.
He may even see that,rightly or wrongly, as his way back in Scotland.

The SNP would be slated and their finances rocked if even that came about,they have had the referendum vote last year, this general election, possibly another in a month or 2 if they brought Labour down,then the Holyrood elections next year.
The Scots would be fed up.
He may see this as putting the SNP on the spot totally, having said that, I do believe the SNP would support Labour legislation in order to never risk even just another election.

I have to head out again now,more canvassing, great to have chatted with you MTVN on this one.

[Kazanne]

This will prove whether he is a man of his word or not!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

This will prove whether he is a man of his word or not!

It will indeed,he has however ruled out 'coalition' and 'confidence and supply'.
(He has never budged for even his own party as to an EU referendum,many Labour MPs hoped he would offer one too, he hasn't budged one inch on that all through,even though it would have made this campaign far easier for him).

This means as a minority govt;,he puts his plans forward,if the SNP support it and don't bring him down, that does not count as a deal.
His wording is careful he has ruled out those formal deals.

It will be down to the SNP,either accepting his policies ad supporting them to keep the Conservatives out,or them forcing him down and then having to force down the Conservatives too.
Setting of another likely election.

He knows that could massively damage the SNP if they followed that course and they would be the ones seen as the wreckers.
I believe he will stick to his guns but disagree with his stance, I think he should be open to a firmer deal, not a coalition..

This could be a really strange set up as to the House of Commons after this election, unless something really happens now that sees one of main 2 parties finishing just short of an overall majority.

It could yet still come about that the Conservatives get nearer 300 seats and depending on how many the Lib Dems hang onto,that this coalition could probably then carry on.
As it stands at the minute however,it does look more like that neither main party could survive as a govt; without the SNP votes.
It will be an exciting evening as the results flood in for sure if things stay as they seem to be at present.

Do you watch the election on the night Kazanne?

[JoshBB]

Idiot. I wish he would stop pandering to the right. As a left-wing english person, I would much prefer that he did a deal with the SNP than to allow the tories back into power.