[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

If I was a supporter of marches I would have likely joined that one, so I would have been a lout and waste of space too in your and others generalised view of them all.

Joey, I myself might join in a peaceful protest for a good cause,c'mon now would you condone this if it was against someone you liked? lets be honest here,this doesn't exactly look peaceful,I get people don't like the Tories,but that's tough,had it been the other way round,I'de have accepted that,I did actually think Milliband would scrape in,why have a voting system,if people cant be respectful of the result,and YOU will never be a waste of space or a lout,so I'll have none of that btw,do you own a hoodie?

[Kizzy]

Personally I think there will be a reshuffle of constituencies if they aim to reduce the amount of MPs, it will be in the conservatives favour naturally.
Yes it will effectively be gerrymandering but we'll be complicit as it will be spun as a positive cost cutting exercise... :/

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's all relative though isn't it?... Look at the 'graffiti' all over the pages of the Mail when they carved into Ralph Miliband.
Was he not a victim of war? It seemed acceptable then to scrawl offensive comments all over the place.
Being over cautious and not expressing your feelings publicly is entirely your right, there are those who are more demonstrative through words than deeds, activists and everything in between it has no baring on strength of feeling that they protest in this manner.
I totally agree that as with the student protests it will be this example of social disorder that will be used to tarnish anyone who chooses to march, protest or demonstrate against the proposed cuts.
This divide and conquer mentality is a proven formula and as such will be replicated to suit any issue sadly.

Simple and pure double standards Kizzy.

I shouldn't but I'm goingto try to speak for you, if I am wrong I apologise.

I think and believe that you, and certainly I would, have supported the grievance of these marchers, even if it had been a Labour govt; now proposing to make an unspecified 10 billion pounds of cuts to the most vulnerable.

Therein lies the difference as to us.

[bots]

Joey, if there are 40 parties all contesting for votes, no one will get even close to capturing the majority of the UK vote. Its not what its about, its which party gains the most support through number of seats won. I am of course exaggerating, but you get the picture.

You know, we as a country had an opportunity to say .... WE WANT TO CHANGE THE VOTING SYSTEM ... what happened? it was the democratic will that the electoral process remained as it was.... So it is just wrong on so many levels, to then complain at the very next general election that the voting system is all wrong.

Until otherwise agreed, the general election was carried out with the currently enforced democratic electoral rules. If people want those rules changed, they need to lobby for it, and get the MAJORITY of the public to agree with it. Until that happens, if people don't like it, they should feck off and live in another country.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Personally I think there will be a reshuffle of constituencies if they aim to reduce the amount of MPs, it will be in the conservatives favour naturally.
Yes it will effectively be gerrymandering but we'll be complicit as it will be spun as a positive cost cutting exercise... :/

That will be hard to get through the Lords Kizzy, a lot of Lib Dems are now in the Lords, the Conservatives are a minority in the Lords now.

That is one result of the last govt;

It may well be there will little assistance to this govt; particularly to constitutional reform now.
It was revealed that he is not now going to try to cut the number of MPs elected now, it seems.

[user104658]

I'm sorry but "that's tough, just like it or lump it" is a political stance that I can never get on board with and don't believe that anyone should. It's tantamount to apathy. If you don't like your country's politics you should damn well stand up and make it very, very clear. Whether you're with the majority or a lone voice against millions.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Personally I think there will be a reshuffle of constituencies if they aim to reduce the amount of MPs, it will be in the conservatives favour naturally.
Yes it will effectively be gerrymandering but we'll be complicit as it will be spun as a positive cost cutting exercise... :/

This is a certainty Kizzy, the only reason it hasn't already happened is because the Lib Dems blocked it. With a Tory majority it'll be pushed through alongside every single other thing that the Lib Dems stopped. Not that they did a great job of stopping much.

They will redefine the constituency boundaries to favour conservative gains at the next GE. I suspect we're stuck with the Tories for at least 10 years now.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

That will be hard to get through the Lords Kizzy, a lot of Lib Dems are now in the Lords, the Conservatives are a minority in the Lords now.

That is one result of the last govt;

It may well be there will little assistance to this govt; particularly to constitutional reform now.
It was revealed that he is not now going to try to cut the number of MPs elected now, it seems.

I don't share your optimism Joey, I think they will rewrite the rule book to suit themselves with little resistance. I suspect the "British Bill of Rights" will confirm this.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm sorry but "that's tough, just like it or lump it" is a political stance that I can never get on board with and don't believe that anyone should. It's tantamount to apathy. If you don't like your country's politics you should damn well stand up and make it very, very clear. Whether you're with the majority or a lone voice against millions.

I give up TS.
the AV referendum was handed to Clegg to present,after the tuition fees vote, when the NHS re-organsation was in play too, at a time in 2011,when it was seen the Lib Dems were crashing in popularity.

Had that been held a few months after the 2010 election, I think it would have got a better result.
David Cameron stunned the Lib Dems by actually then campaigning against AV.
It would not have altered things that much but we have had a high profile election for a lot of parties this time.

I do not like UKIP,I'd never support them, I said this yesterday,however with over 3,800,000 voters behind them, they can only have a single MP.
What a disgrace that really is when you think about it.
Sorry for me that also doesn't come close to real democracy now.
This should not be allowed to carry on.

I agree 100% with you, no voters should just have to put up with that,what an arrogant dismissal of peoples efforts to vote.
They make the effort to go out and vote,they deserve far better,and should be able to demand it too, than the govts; they have had over the last 10 years over 3 elections now.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This is a certainty Kizzy, the only reason it hasn't already happened is because the Lib Dems blocked it. With a Tory majority it'll be pushed through alongside every single other thing that the Lib Dems stopped. Not that they did a great job of stopping much.

They will redefine the constituency boundaries to favour conservative gains at the next GE. I suspect we're stuck with the Tories for at least 10 years now.

I am hoping it goes on so long in the Commons it gets talked out TS,I believe,as you do, they will try to do it but may get too tied up as to the EU issue to succeed.
A larger majority and I would have said it was sure to get through,I feel a bit more optimistic it will now hit very bad hiccups.

[Crimson Dynamo]

tells you all you need to know about a few, probably drunk or high, young punks who contribute nothing, know nothing and will amount to nothing

I feel sorry for the poor police who have to deal with idiots like this.

smh

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

"Hard-left activists desecrated a war memorial " nah thugs
"Hate mob in No.10 rampage" nah thugs.
"Anarchists and hard-line socialists unwilling to accept Thursday's election result protested violently in Whitehall" nah violent thugs caused chaos don't care about the cause.
"Dozens of protesters, many of them wearing masks or balaclavas tried to push their way through police lines" less threatening that a lone black man shouting but where are the batons??
.................................................. .................

aside from that. sad state of affairs.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Simple and pure double standards Kizzy.

I shouldn't but I'm goingto try to speak for you, if I am wrong I apologise.

I think and believe that you, and certainly I would, have supported the grievance of these marchers, even if it had been a Labour govt; now proposing to make an unspecified 10 billion pounds of cuts to the most vulnerable.

Therein lies the difference as to us.

Of course I would yes, like you it's not the party I support it's the policies.
I don't like the centrist calls to 'be like Blair'... that wouldn't appeal to me at all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

"Hard-left activists desecrated a war memorial " nah thugs
"Hate mob in No.10 rampage" nah thugs.
"Anarchists and hard-line socialists unwilling to accept Thursday's election result protested violently in Whitehall" nah violent thugs caused chaos don't care about the cause.
"Dozens of protesters, many of them wearing masks or balaclavas tried to push their way through police lines" less threatening that a lone black man shouting but where are the batons??
.................................................. .................

aside from that. sad state of affairs.

at best there were 100 people

it was like a hipsters convention, drinking their Starbucks, texting on their Iphonee 5s and shouting about tory scum and anarchy

you could not make it up

[billy123]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

at best there were 100 people

it was like a hipsters convention, drinking their Starbucks, texting on their Iphonee 5s and shouting about tory scum and anarchy

you could not make it up

And yet right wingers are desperate to try and tar the left with violently assaulting a statue when its obvious to any sane person that it was a single prick with a spray can.
It obviously eases the feeling of shame for some here to concentrate on the actions of one dickhead.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bobnot

And yet right wingers are desperate to try and tar the left with violently assaulting a statue when its obvious to any sane person that it was a single prick with a spray can.

From small pricks,large pricks grow

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

at best there were 100 people

it was like a hipsters convention, drinking their Starbucks, texting on their Iphonee 5s and shouting about tory scum and anarchy

you could not make it up

They'll be texting their buds later to do it all over again as it was such a laugh

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

From small pricks,large pricks grow

What have you heard about my sex life and how did this information leak

[Tom4784]

It's a shame that an extreme minority of the protestors are giving Camecunt and his cronies the excuse to condemn them all and focus on the vandals and not the protests itself.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bobnot

And yet right wingers are desperate to try and tar the left with violently assaulting a statue when its obvious to any sane person that it was a single prick with a spray can.
It obviously eases the feeling of shame for some here to concentrate on the actions of one dickhead.

What shame is this, Nicola Sturgeon handed the Tories the win by her constant insinuation that Labour would not get a majority and would need SNP backing it turned Labour votes to UKIP and The Tories.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bobnot

What have you heard about my sex life and how did this information leak

nice one

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What shame is this, Nicola Sturgeon handed the Tories the win by her constant insinuation that Labour would not get a majority and would need SNP backing it turned Labour votes to UKIP and The Tories.

Yes ita all Nicolas fault for being the best leader, having the best policies and running a successful much loved government

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's a shame that an extreme minority of the protestors are giving Camecunt and his cronies the excuse to condemn them all and focus on the vandals and not the protests itself.

But Dezzy you know that even if the worst thing to happen that day was that a kit kat wrapper fell out of someones pocket then the headline would be "THUGS DESECRATE THE STREETS OF LONDON"

The only disappointing part for me is that so many people rely on murdochs media to form an opinion of what is real.
Credit to murdoch he did it again wow he tapped into the fears of people once again.

The double headline in the sun was a masterstroke telling the uk to vote tory while at the same time publishing a headline in scotland that the only way to keep the torys out was to vote snp was a lesson in manipulation.

Just goes to show where the real power stems from.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What shame is this, Nicola Sturgeon handed the Tories the win by her constant insinuation that Labour would not get a majority and would need SNP backing it turned Labour votes to UKIP and The Tories.

Wrong


In England alone the Conservatives Won
check the Sunday Times Blue England map
with some red dots on it.


So take Scotland out of this
The Conservatives Won in England
Why The Feck Do You Not Know that , by now

[MTVN]

Think Cherie's point was that the SNP's campaign in Scotland had an impact on Labour's performance in England as well