[the truth]

Originally Posted by empire

thanks to zero hour contracts that rip off the hard working people of this country, thank you labour-tory policy, for that one

only 2% of jobs are zero hours so don't worry too much....besides in real politiks these workers if theyre doing a fine job will soon either be offered more work better pay and a contract or will be able to go to a bigger and better job

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

only 2% of jobs are zero hours so don't worry too much....besides in real politiks these workers if theyre doing a fine job will soon either be offered more work better pay and a contract or will be able to go to a bigger and better job

With respect that all sounds good but will rarely come about.
No one should have to be on one if they don't want to be and are seeking 'real' full time work.
Far too many of a growing number of employers are probably now,in my view,exploiting these contracts and using them at times when they don't even need to.

I think with these in place,very few are likely to get a better contract and more regular hours weekly unless the employer is actually made to do so.Greedy employers are part of the problem,not the solution

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

With respect that all sounds good but will rarely come about.
No one should have to be on one if they don't want to be and are seeking 'real' full time work.
Far too many of a growing number of employers are probably now,in my view,exploiting these contracts and using them at times when they don't even need to.

I think with these in place,very few are likely to get a better contract and more regular hours weekly unless the employer is actually made to do so.Greedy employers are part of the problem,not the solution

as always youre all theory and no practice...you ignore the actual real term effects where the majority do go on to bigger and better jobs and the majority on zero hours actually like them....furthermore you ignore the record 2 million plus jobs (only 2% of them are zero hours)...thank goodness for the tories taking over from the disastrous and sick new labour movement

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

as always youre all theory and no practice...you ignore the actual real term effects where the majority do go on to bigger and better jobs and the majority on zero hours actually like them....furthermore you ignore the record 2 million plus jobs (only 2% of them are zero hours)...thank goodness for the tories taking over from the disastrous and sick new labour movement

Oh give it a rest, I speak my view which is what I always say it is, you challenge everyone as to this and that,then never back substantially the vast majority of what you say.

How many of those jobs are also part time jobs, oh but wait a minute, I cannot tell you, you cannot tell me, because there are really no valid official statistics to prove same.
You are rich saying someone else is all theory and no practice.

So here is an opportunity.
I throw it all back to you, show us all the official statistics as to how many people on zero hours contracts have gone on to better contracts and more hours with that employer.
Put your money where your mouth is and prove that to us from your practice!!

When you actually can do that,with official substantiated figures, then you can attack others for theory and no practice.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Oh give it a rest, I speak my view which is what I always say it is, you challenge everyone as to this and that,then never back substantially the vast majority of what you say.

How many of those jobs are also part time jobs, oh but wait a minute, I cannot tell you, you cannot tell me, because there are really no valid official statistics to prove same.
You are rich saying someone else is all theory and no practice.

So here is an opportunity.
I throw it all back to you, show us all the official statistics as to how many people on zero hours contracts have gone on to better contracts and more hours with that employer.
Put your money where your mouth is and prove that to us from your practice!!

When you actually can do that,with official substantiated figures, then you can attack others for theory and no practice.

more anti economic guff.....you should be ecstatic the tories have saved the economy from new labour....maybe you could provide us with evidence disproving how new labour left us skint? .no doubt that would be another new labour dodgy dossier....and just like new labour you want everyone else to do your homework for you lol

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

more anti economic guff.....you should be ecstatic the tories have saved the economy from new labour....maybe you could provide us with evidence disproving how new labour left us skint? .no doubt that would be another new labour dodgy dossier....and just like new labour you want everyone else to do your homework for you lol

You are the one claiming it is so, just show the statistics if there are any that is.
Or is it in fact you yourself that is just theory and no practice.
Since I see no substantiated official statistics are forthcoming at all.

Labour made many mistakes but they were not the only reason we had financial chaos by 2010.
I condemn them heavily for selling off the gold reserves and raiding pensions too.
However, while being a part,I think the financial services and Banking industry had a greater deal more to do as to that crisis.

Also, it could have been even worse, since your Conservative party between 2005 and 2008 heavily criticised labour for the banks being regulated too much,they wanted to regulate them far less at that time.
Imagine the possible added chaos as to that, had they been in from 2005 to 2010, with much less banking regulation in place.
Please don't try to say the worldwide financial banking crisis would not have happened had the Conservatives been in power.
No one in the financial world saw or warned of that coming about.

There is a few facts for you, are we going to get any from you at all.

[the truth]

[QUOTE=joeysteele;7767337]You are the one claiming it is so, just show the statistics if there are any that is.
Or is it in fact you yourself that is just theory and no practice.
Since I see no substantiated official statistics are forthcoming at all.

Labour made many mistakes but they were not the only reason we had financial chaos by 2010.
I condemn them heavily for selling off the gold reserves and raiding pensions too.
However, while being a part,I think the financial services and Banking industry had a greater deal more to do as to that crisis.

Also, it could have been even worse, since your Conservative party between 2005 and 2008 heavily criticised labour for the banks being regulated too much,they wanted to regulate them far less at that time.
Imagine the possible added chaos as to that, had they been in from 2005 to 2010, with much less banking regulation in place.
Please don't try to say the worldwide financial banking crisis would not have happened had the Conservatives been in power.
No one in the financial world saw or warned of that coming about.

There is a few facts for you, are we going to get any from you at all

did I say the crash was ALL new labours fault? ah the old new labour trick of grossly misrepresenting the other persons views, what a joke.....don't you get it new labour and the spin the anti economics the waste the lies the dodgy dossiers are all buried in a grave forever....everyone sees through this guff for what it is

As for the financial collapse loads saw it coming and loads moved their investments and loads got even richer from it....new labour simply made us more exposed to it with their deregulations of the bank (whilst regulating the hell out of the rest of society) their imbalanced economy , their enslavement to the ridiculous 587 page European constitution, oh and of coruse handing over our multi billion rebates for NOTHING in return? the utter failure to reinvest in industrial infrastructure, in building homes, in spreading wealth and jobs..way higher unemployment...more growth in state jobs....allowing ridiculous banking mergers like Lloyds tsb , failing to re nationalise anything.....their list of cataclysmic failure is endless

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

more anti economic guff.....you should be ecstatic the tories have saved the economy from new labour....maybe you could provide us with evidence disproving how new labour left us skint? .no doubt that would be another new labour dodgy dossier....and just like new labour you want everyone else to do your homework for you lol

They didn't save us from anything... they borrowed more in the last 5yrs than Labour in 13 remember?

'As a Conservative I have no pleasure in exposing David Cameron's deficit claims. However, as long as the party continues to talk down the economy via the blame game, confidence will not be given an opportunity to return. For it is an undeniable and inescapable economic fact: without confidence and certainty there can be no real growth.'

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it" Joseph Goebbels

lol

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/rame...b_2007552.html

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

They didn't save us from anything... they borrowed more in the last 5yrs than Labour in 13 remember?

'As a Conservative I have no pleasure in exposing David Cameron's deficit claims. However, as long as the party continues to talk down the economy via the blame game, confidence will not be given an opportunity to return. For it is an undeniable and inescapable economic fact: without confidence and certainty there can be no real growth.'

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it" Joseph Goebbels

lol

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/rame...b_2007552.html

yah quoting a psycho nazi on 21st century economics is great....does that apply to new labours dodgy dossier and weapons of mas distraction too? or do you ignore that propaganda that killed a million innocents?.tell me what elvis presley said about renationalising the banks next

deficit has risen in the usa too under a democratic leader
unemployment has fallen greatly, gdp has risen, the tories have brought a better finances and their ideological push to get kids of benefits and into work will help the economy long term..........the question is how to keep improving the balance in the economy.....by 2020 with a decent proper centrist socialist leader the country may be ready for a labour leader to rebalance again but not now not yet.....new labour must first die.....we need civil liberties freedom of speech theyre our inalienable rights denied us by the fraud of new labour