[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

Jim said Union Boss Len
was wrong.

the unions are pulling the strings

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the unions are pulling the strings

Of Course


Joey says that the right way

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Of Course


Joey says that the right way

Joey can speak ably for himself thank you, to those he wants to that is.
I said I agree with the Unions having a say,not control.
They do not have control, otherwise Labour would be really even more to the left than the SNP currently are.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Joey can speak ably for himself thank you, to those he wants to that is.
I said I agree with the Unions having a say,not control.
They do not have control, otherwise Labour would be really even more to the left than the SNP currently are.

Yes but the Problem is
They Demand Control.

Ask your Dad about Unions
for feck sake

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes but the Problem is
They Demand Control.

Ask your Dad about Unions
for feck sake

Even my father would concede the Unions have far less influence now than they used to as to labour.
It is why even he was able to bring himself to vote Labour for the first time in his life in this election and he is likely to in the next one too.

I know all about Unions arista,I know how they 'used' to take on govts; ironically Labour ones as well as Conservative ones.
I would have agreed with all, had I even been born then, as to Margaret Thatcher's union reforms.

However, now I actually think they should have more freedom,things have now gone too far the other way,in my view, as being in the employers favour.

I was probably never a diehard hard line Conservative,more a 'soft' Conservative,
I absolutely hate the intolerance some hardline Conservatives show to other people of differing views.

I will also tell you this, I,and I 'think',(note the word think), the voters should too, now fear the extreme right in the UK far more than anyone ever need to the far left.

[Kizzy]

[QUOTE=arista;7776803]Yes but the Problem is
They Demand Control.

Ask your Dad about Unions
for feck sake

Why would anyone have to to ask family members anything...

Is nobody capable of educating themselves and drawing their own conclusion instead of a narrow inherited perception of history?
Unions are made up of workers, if workers in a specific sector disagree with proposed changes to employment law or working conditions then what is wrong with unions being their voice?

I really don't agree with the distrust of the unions any concerns they hold are peddled as anti establishment rhetoric, can we really be so sure that as a nation the government really has the 'blue collar' workers at heart for this second term? I don't and I think the unions especially public services unions need be on their guard.

[joeysteele]

[QUOTE=Kizzy;7779068]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes but the Problem is
They Demand Control.

Ask your Dad about Unions
for feck sake

Why would anyone have to to ask family members anything...

Is nobody capable of educating themselves and drawing their own conclusion instead of a narrow inherited perception of history?
Unions are made up of workers, if workers in a specific sector disagree with proposed changes to employment law or working conditions then what is wrong with unions being their voice?

I really don't agree with the distrust of the unions any concerns they hold are peddled as anti establishment rhetoric, can we really be so sure that as a nation the government really has the 'blue collar' workers at heart for this second term? I don't and I think the unions especially public services unions need be on their guard.

It's ok Kizzy, I learned a lot from my Dad as to the past in politics and now he is learning from me in some way too.

He now has even turned against this govt; mainly for the NHS as he has 2 Brothers who are Doctors.
Also however for,what he sees, as the vindictive attacks on the most vulnerable too.

I love asking my Dad anything and talking to my Dad any time.

[Kizzy]

[QUOTE=joeysteele;7779083]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's ok Kizzy, I learned a lot from my Dad as to the past in politics and now he is learning from me in some way too.

He now has even turned against this govt; mainly for the NHS as he has 2 Brothers who are Doctors.
Also however for,what he sees, as the vindictive attacks on the most vulnerable too.

I love asking my Dad anything and talking to my Dad any time.

Sorry Joey didn't mean to say your dad in particular in my post haha.
I just meant we shouldn't inherit our politics from our parents in general but make our own minds up looking at things as we would anything else objectively.
It's so great you can draw inspiration from your dad