[arista]

Business of the Future will not have a Official Union.
This is the way forward.


Young Workers now in big companies
do not have to join the Corrupt Union.


This is the better future.

Many New Ventures today
in the UK and Other Nations use 3-D printers
No Union needed


Sign Of The Times

[MB.]

...what does the rise of 3D printers have to do with unions?

[arista]

Originally Posted by MB.

...what does the rise of 3D printers have to do with unions?

They can be used in Industrial Metals,
Plastics and real Food supply
also in any size
even a home can be made



You can have one in your back room for just
£500 or less
your orders come online.

Your profit soon pays back all costs


Life In The Fast Lane

[Jack_]

Hooray for less workers rights

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Hooray for less workers rights

Thats the Spirit Jack

[Kizzy]

More corrupt employers!

[user104658]

My contract actually stipulates that any attempt to unionize is considered a sackable offense. Make of that what you will.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

My contract actually stipulates that any attempt to unionize is considered a sackable offense. Make of that what you will.

That's getting increasingly common, I'm not sure how that's legally a sackable offence tbh what would it be classed as... insubordination? gross misconduct?
:/

[arista]

Yes Kizzy its the Future

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's getting increasingly common, I'm not sure how that's legally a sackable offence tbh what would it be classed as... insubordination? gross misconduct?
:/

I believe it's listed as gross misconduct, though I have to admit that I haven't actually read through my contract for years. I probably should...

I'm dubious as to how watertight that is though, a couple of my friends who are in employment law think it's very questionable.

[arista]

TS
keep you job

Don't Follow that route

[JoshBB]

ffs we need to be giving back unions more power, not removing it

[MTVN]

I'm not sure Unions will ever become completely obsolete but they do need to modernise. At the moment union leaders often look like sad old men of a bygone age trying to cling to the days when they could bring the country to a grinding halt with strike action and wanting to relive the 70s. The country has moved on though, in most areas old fashioned industrial workplaces are a thing of the past and the Unions were far too slow to realise the shift to a service based economy

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I'm not sure Unions will ever become completely obsolete but they do need to modernise. At the moment union leaders often look like sad old men of a bygone age trying to cling to the days when they could bring the country to a grinding halt with strike action and wanting to relive the 70s. The country has moved on though, in most areas old fashioned industrial workplaces are a thing of the past and the Unions were far too slow to realise the shift to a service based economy

You mean a shift to an economy run purely for corporate business and one that cares very little for those at the bottom? We need trade unions to give back voice to the workers. Look at germany - they have powerful trade unions and are doing great.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I'm not sure Unions will ever become completely obsolete but they do need to modernise. At the moment union leaders often look like sad old men of a bygone age trying to cling to the days when they could bring the country to a grinding halt with strike action and wanting to relive the 70s. The country has moved on though, in most areas old fashioned industrial workplaces are a thing of the past and the Unions were far too slow to realise the shift to a service based economy

How on earth could that be true? It's such a strange concept that anyone would prefer that they had less rights and no secure contract of employment.
It is the efforts of the media that ensures the perception of the unionised member is some militant from the 70s... that would mean that all that advocate unionisation are just about ready to retire now, and that's just not true is it?
All those unite members marching are not OAPs are they, they're young people, mums and dads, people with homes cars and mortgages.
Whether in the public or private sector everyone deserves to work to live not live to work.
I don't want a hand to mouth existence for the next generation who can't build any foundations for the future as there's no secure work to be able to save or borrow against. Why would anyone want to bring the country to a stop? they don't, the country has not moved on it's moved backwards.

It's just been perpetuated that it's less acceptable to ask for or expect rights and or fairness in the workplace now, it isn't and it should never be.
It impacts on the social fabric of this supposed 'civil society' that we have the right to work, to a family and a secure home. I wouldn't have thought that was unacceptable.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

ffs we need to be giving back unions more power, not removing it

I certainly go along with that view too.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

You mean a shift to an economy run purely for corporate business and one that cares very little for those at the bottom? We need trade unions to give back voice to the workers. Look at germany - they have powerful trade unions and are doing great.

I wouldn't say 'great': http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32733603

Germany seems to be entering a turning point with its unions like we had in the 70s/80s. The reason they've prospered for much of the last few decades is because they were less hostile and more conciliatory than the unions often were in this country. It was more about cooperation than conflict. That is how it should be of course but when unions become too powerful it threatens that (just as when employers are too powerful of course)

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How on earth could that be true? It's such a strange concept that anyone would prefer that they had less rights and no secure contract of employment.
It is the efforts of the media that ensures the perception of the unionised member is some militant from the 70s... that would mean that all that advocate unionisation are just about ready to retire now, and that's just not true is it?
All those unite members marching are not OAPs are they, they're young people, mums and dads, people with homes cars and mortgages.
Whether in the public or private sector everyone deserves to work to live not live to work.
I don't want a hand to mouth existence for the next generation who can't build any foundations for the future as there's no secure work to be able to save or borrow against. Why would anyone want to bring the country to a stop? they don't, the country has not moved on it's moved backwards.

It's just been perpetuated that it's less acceptable to ask for or expect rights and or fairness in the workplace now, it isn't and it should never be.
It impacts on the social fabric of this supposed 'civil society' that we have the right to work, to a family and a secure home. I wouldn't have thought that was unacceptable.

No but clearly trade union membership is in perennial decline and has been for decades. Evidently not that many people see union membership as fundamental to their worker status anymore. The economy today is very different to the one that gave birth to Unions and witnessed their heyday, someone like Scargill is a throwback to a different age.

[Kizzy]

That may be less to do with choice and more to do with the type of contract offered.
It isn't a different world, people still grow up get married, buy houses, start families... what's different?
Your skewed image of a union member is outmoded.

[MTVN]

The difference is in the shift from a more rigid industrial based economy - where everyone was a union man like his father - to an economy that is more service based in a much more globalised world where populations are mobile and there is more social mobility - even though far more does need to be done on that last issue I accept.

[MTVN]

A song for kizzy

Youtube video

[joeysteele]

It is true that that trade union membership has halved since the 80s, going from 12 million to just under 6 million.
However,I cannot see a time, in my lifetime where the Unions will not exist,or beyond that either.

It may well be that membership starts to rise again over the next few years even.

[bots]

The problem as I see it, is that Unions are a thing of the past, no longer relevant in todays society. They are just another form of unwanted corruption.

What is important, is the preservation of employees rights. Maggie had to do what she did to the unions, but like all these things she went much to far in allowing employers the over riding advantage.

It is not beyond the wit of man to come up with a fresh approach to looking after employees rights, non union based.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The problem as I see it, is that Unions are a thing of the past, no longer relevant in todays society. They are just another form of unwanted corruption.

What is important, is the preservation of employees rights. Maggie had to do what she did to the unions, but like all these things she went much to far in allowing employers the over riding advantage.

It is not beyond the wit of man to come up with a fresh approach to looking after employees rights, non union based.

Living standards are no longer relevant?.. I'm sorry I can't agree with that.
I'm not sure how they can be considered corrupt.
Maggie most certainly didn't have to do what she did and outsource coal making millions unemployed.
If it ain't broken don't fix it, the use of unions to liaise is a solution that can and should work perfectly well. Nobody has an advantage if there are clear rights and contractual obligations in place.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

A song for kizzy

Youtube video

Don't be facetious

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Living standards are no longer relevant?.. I'm sorry I can't agree with that.
I'm not sure how they can be considered corrupt.
Maggie most certainly didn't have to do what she did and outsource coal making millions unemployed.
If it ain't broken don't fix it, the use of unions to liaise is a solution that can and should work perfectly well. Nobody has an advantage if there are clear rights and contractual obligations in place.

I thought I was clear

I said unions were no longer relevant. Workers rights are of course still relevant. In today's day and age, there are much more effective methods of ensuring workers rights than through unions. That's my point