[the truth]

[QUOTE=Jamesy;7817358]I'm against their plans for the human rights act although they need to debate it a lot before anything can be done. A lot of people in the conservative party oppose the idea of scrapping it for a new rights bill so I doubt that will get that far with it for now.

Also a "truly seven day" NHS sounds all good on paper although it mainly involves stretching current NHS resources which are already stretched to breaking point so really I'm against that until they start taking real action to expand resources and invest heavily into the NHS (I know they say they will invest more but I'll believe that when I see it). - They've committed to 8 billion increase. But the majority of savings will be made in slashing middle management jobs and getting millions more people scanned out of hours and weekends which should save billions on the back end from saving months of bed blocking, unnecessary pills and anti biotics and freeing up staff time..oh and getting more scanned far sooner will save far more lives (which also gets people back to work paying taxes etc)



Although I can see more cuts, money being placed where it isn't needed to give the illusion to the public they're investing in the NHS, and some more backdoor privatization under peoples noses. - I don't think theyre that devious. the money will be channelled to the front line cutting the endless middle management..also in merging the trusts care with the social services care that alone will save money and time for elderly patientsThe limit on house benefit is good too. £26k a year was ridiculous in the first place, glad they've lowered it somewhat. - totally agreed on that. frankly £23000 is still way way too high...why should anyone get 23000 just for sitting on there backsides ..what a disgusting example to their kids too

[Jamesy]

Originally Posted by the truth

totally agreed on that. frankly £23000 is still way way too high...why should anyone get 23000 just for sitting on there backsides ..what a disgusting example to their kids too

Completely agree with you there, £23k is still far too much. Although I guess the Conservatives will lower it continually over their time in power, instead of doing one massive cut that could cause a backlash, lowering the limit slowly over 5 years will be a wiser way to approach the issue.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jamesy

Completely agree with you there, £23k is still far too much. Although I guess the Conservatives will lower it continually over their time in power, instead of doing one massive cut that could cause a backlash, lowering the limit slowly over 5 years will be a wiser way to approach the issue.

I know a lot of people with 4 or more kids who have never worked. some have moonlighted on the side unofficially but that's it. I sympathise with people who do work and do try to get out of poverty...but the people who breed for benefits, the healthy people who choose worklessness I have nothing but disgust for

I know the liberal elite will accuse me of swallowing the daily mail, that's simply rubbish. The majority of people I know with 4 plus kids who live off benefits have simply decayed as people over the years. Some of them are almost unrecognisable. Their ambition self respect and self worth has dissolved. Instead they become pernicious lazy demotivated ...in many cases they fill their vacuous days with cigarettes and alcohol. In many cases they even become strangely greedy and lose respect for their possessions and money as its handed to them freely. I have xtensive experience of employing people of renting property and even worked at the social security and social services so my experience is pretty varied....in the end the truth is self evident.. idle hands make the devils work, amen.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Jamesy

Completely agree with you there, £23k is still far too much. Although I guess the Conservatives will lower it continually over their time in power, instead of doing one massive cut that could cause a backlash, lowering the limit slowly over 5 years will be a wiser way to approach the issue.

Does that 23,000 include free housing? Because if it does then it's far too much. I would have thought it better to limit child benefirts to just two children, then there would be no point in those people who use children as cash cows having more than two.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

Does that 23,000 include free housing? Because if it does then it's far too much. I would have thought it better to limit child benefirts to just two children, then there would be no point in those people who use children as cash cows having more than two.

No, there is no such thing as "free housing", only housing (council or private) where the rent is paid via benefits, and that is included in the £23k cap.