[GiRTh]

‘There is no such thing as marital rape': Christian website says wives must yield for sex

A website that gives sex advice to married Christians argues that women can never give their spouses “a flat no” when asked for sex because “her body does belong to her husband.”

The anonymous founder of the Biblical Gender Roles website, who says he is a white male in his 40s, came under fire earlier this month after he wrote an article titled, “Is a husband selfish for having sex with his wife when she is not the mood?”

“Feminists and even some women who would not consider themselves feminists believe it is selfish for a man to have sex with his wife, knowing she is not in the mood,” the writer explains. “In fact some claim if a man has sex with his wife when she is not the mood this is rape… Here we will try to answer this very important question, from a Biblical perspective.”

Although the author insists that he would not advocate “for a husband to force himself physically upon his wife,” he says that “a Christian wife should never give her husband a flat no, BUT she can humbly and gently ask for a delay.”

And any request for a delay “must be done humbly and respectfully, and always with the attitude in mind that her body does belong to her husband.”

A “wife does not have the right to stand and deny her husband access to her body,” he writes, adding that she can ask for a delay with a “legitimate” reason, but “the judge of what is legitimate or not is her husband.”

“But I will say this, despite American laws to the contrary, Biblically speaking, there is no such thing as ‘marital rape,'” the writer continues. “In the Scriptures, the only way rape occurs is if a man forces himself on a woman who is not his property (not his wife, or concubine). A man’s wives, his concubines (slave wives taken as captives of war or bought) could be made to have sex with him, no questions asked.”

“I realize this entire scenario is appalling to our modern western notions, but I choose to not challenge God’s wisdom in the laws he gave. If you want to argue with God about this at the judgement, be my guest.”

But what if she’s not in the mood and the husband wants to have sex anyway? Biblical Gender Roles has the answer.

“When a woman desires to have sex with a man, her vagina will start to lubricate itself in anticipation of intercourse. If there is no desire, then there is no lubrication and therefore if she is not in the mood she will automatically have dry and painful intercourse,” he observes. “He ought to use foreplay and touch various parts of her body and massage her in an attempt to relax her. He could also use oral sex as a way to help her get lubricated, and if that is not working use an artificial lubricant to help.”

“There are ways to make sure a woman is sufficiently lubricated, even if she is not in the mood for sex.”

As for wives who like a little conversation before sex, Biblical Gender Roles says that women need to be sensitive to men who don’t feel like talking.

“But wives need also to understand that sometimes a man has a rough day, and all he wants to do is have sex and forget his troubles, he does not want to talk about it,” the website advises. “Your wife needs to respect this, and should not ALWAYS insist that you have to first connect verbally, she also should try to see sex from your perspective too – that sometimes you won’t be ready to talk until after you have had sex.”

Daylight Atheism blogger Adam Lee pointed out that the Biblical Gender Values author was applying biblical standards about rape and marriage to a world where women were no longer considered property.

“If BGR says he doesn’t endorse violence or rape, that’s only because moral progress has influenced his thinking to the point where he glimpses, dimly, the awfulness of the belief system he professes,” Lee noted. “But it hasn’t influenced him enough for him to do the right thing and reject it entirely as the misogynist atrocity it is.”

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[Ramsay]

I hate religion

[JoshBB]

I bet these are the same kinds of people who would say being gay is wrong or perverted then say **** like this

[Livia]

I suppose he holds with wife-beating too... the utter cock.

[JoshBB]

#whyweneedfeminism

[Pete.]

“But wives need also to understand that sometimes a man has a rough day, and all he wants to do is have sex and forget his troubles, he does not want to talk about it

I can't believe how many things are wrong with that statement

[Kizzy]

This is why people like me are suspicious of religion... people like him.

[Crimson Dynamo]

here for gods

[user104658]

Mrs Soldier never says no anyway.

Her ballgag is on too tight.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Mrs Soldier never says no anyway.

Her ballgag is on too tight.

[smudgie]

I would agree with him...just the minute before i castrated him.
I would suggest all wives married to morons like this take a good pair of scissors to bed with them.

[the truth]

sad why the left wing media always hypes up and sensationalizes the tiny minority of nutjobs like this...when the vast majority of Christians are wonderful people doing wonderful things

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Mrs Soldier never says no anyway.

Her ballgag is on too tight.

And there was I thinking romance was dead.

Originally Posted by the truth

sad why the left wing media always hypes up and sensationalizes the tiny minority of nutjobs like this...when the vast majority of Christians are wonderful people doing wonderful things

Not sure about the left wing bit, but I do agree. This man is a nut job who represents a tiny minority of Christians.What's more I'm sure a vast amount of rapists and abusers of women wouldn't claim to be any religion at all.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

And there was I thinking romance was dead.

It yet lives, but there's not many of us left .

Not sure about the left wing bit, but I do agree. This man is a nut job who represents a tiny minority of Christians.What's more I'm sure a vast amount of rapists and abusers of women wouldn't claim to be any religion at all.

Actually most atheists (93%) are rapists and abusers of women, it's been scientifically proven. The hypothesis is that there's a genetic link between atheists and Vikings.

[Kizzy]

I'm sure the abusers of women wouldn't claim to be any religion of all, let's not ask the abusers of altar boys.

[Nedusa]

I find this whole thread offensive and think the only reason it was created was to encourage people to another pointless in depth slanging match either about religion or gender.

Clearly the opening narrative Is taken from some loony who should not ever be given the time of day.

The mods should discourage this kind of baiting and encourage people to discuss sensible issues not the ramblings of a madman.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I find this whole thread offensive and think the only reason it was created was to encourage people to another pointless in depth slanging match either about religion or gender.

Clearly the opening narrative Is taken from some loony who should not ever be given the time of day.

The mods should discourage this kind of baiting and encourage people to discuss sensible issues not the ramblings of a madman.

Well we can discuss the fact that religion gives many nutters a platform and an excuse

The minute we start believing in magic is the minute that a nutter uses that to excuse what he does

[Tom4784]

I wonder if he believes Slavery is justified due to Genesis as well? Does he stone people who wear two different types of materials? What's his opinion on shellfish?

99.999999% of the bible (and all religious texts tbh) was indicative of the times and it's ridiculous that people still use it to justify their ****. Pretty much everything apart from some of the Commandments can be ignored since they're the only somewhat relevant things to today's world.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I find this whole thread offensive and think the only reason it was created was to encourage people to another pointless in depth slanging match either about religion or gender.

Clearly the opening narrative Is taken from some loony who should not ever be given the time of day.

The mods should discourage this kind of baiting and encourage people to discuss sensible issues not the ramblings of a madman.

The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. 5 vDo not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, wso that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

This is an excert from Corinthinan 7:3-5

So this so called nutter actually has a point. Once again its about interpretation. There are, wheteher you like it or not, people who intepret these verses literally and as long as these people exist and continue to have a platformto air their nuttiness then I feel you have no argument. This is not baiting this what some people genuinely believe.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

This is an excert from Corinthinan 7:3-5

So this so called nutter actually has a point. Once again its about interpretation. There are, wheteher you like it or not, people who intepret these verses literally and as long as these people exist and continue to have a platformto air their nuttiness then I feel you have no argument. This is not baiting this what some people genuinely believe.

and dont forget the key aspects of islam and christianity is to believe what their books say

its the whole crux of the cult. this book is written by god and you must abide by it as he is your boss

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by the truth

sad why the left wing media always hypes up and sensationalizes the tiny minority of nutjobs like this...when the vast majority of Christians are wonderful people doing wonderful things

Can I hear an Amen up here?

I agree that it isn't religions fault if whack jobs like this guy want to interpret things their blinkered way.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

Can I hear an Amen up here?

I agree that it isn't religions fault if whack jobs like this guy want to interpret things their blinkered way.

which part of any religion tells you what bits to interpretate and which to ignore?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I wonder if he believes Slavery is justified due to Genesis as well? Does he stone people who wear two different types of materials? What's his opinion on shellfish?

99.999999% of the bible (and all religious texts tbh) was indicative of the times and it's ridiculous that people still use it to justify their ****. Pretty much everything apart from some of the Commandments can be ignored since they're the only somewhat relevant things to today's world.

I can't speak for Christians, but I've been stoned a few times.

[Z]

Wanker.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I can't speak for Christians, but I've been stoned a few times.