[user104658]

Because they are major political parties, and therefore majorly involved in actively running countries, and therefore aware that leaving the EU would be complete and utter economic madness. Only the Kippers find this hard to accept, and that's because their agenda is clouded by prejudice. Basically.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Because they are major political parties, and therefore majorly involved in actively running countries, and therefore aware that leaving the EU would be complete and utter economic madness. Only the Kippers find this hard to accept, and that's because their agenda is clouded by prejudice. Basically.

what about the fact so many countries are bankrupt? unemployment rate is highest ever and over 50% for youth unemployment across 4 major countries and over 40% in Italy? have you been in business , are you aware of the enormity of legislation putting so many companies , usually small companies out of business? have you read the 587 page constitution? if not how can you be so certain the EU and its constitution is the best way forward? isn't the current EU complete and utter economic madness? with so many bankrupt nations, record levels of debt, no accounts handed in for a decade, record wages and record costs, highest unemployment ever, austerity riots, a chancellor who clearly has vested interests so should only have 1 job or the other as she has conflicting interests...the UK under the tories whom you hate created more jobs than the entire European union put together in the past 5 years? don't you think economically that tells you the EU in its current form is a busted flush? what about the third way where we are part of the trading block but not involved in the rule making and would simply be governed by british law instead?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

what about the fact so many countries are bankrupt? unemployment rate is highest ever and over 50% for youth unemployment across 4 major countries and over 40% in Italy? have you been in business , are you aware of the enormity of legislation putting so many companies , usually small companies out of business? have you read the 587 page constitution? if not how can you be so certain the EU and its constitution is the best way forward? isn't the current EU complete and utter economic madness? with so many bankrupt nations, record levels of debt, no accounts handed in for a decade, record wages and record costs, highest unemployment ever, austerity riots, a chancellor who clearly has vested interests so should only have 1 job or the other as she has conflicting interests...the UK under the tories whom you hate created more jobs than the entire European union put together in the past 5 years? don't you think economically that tells you the EU in its current form is a busted flush? what about the third way where we are part of the trading block but not involved in the rule making and would simply be governed by british law instead?

The EU is a bit of a mess, yeah. Mad as a sack of kittens. And perhaps it should never have been created in the first place, or rather, when it was created it should have been a much more simple set of agreements and trade principles.

However, that boat has sailed, and now that we ARE part of it, leaving it would be an absolute disaster. You can't just say "leave" and then it be as if the EU doesn't exist - it will still exist - only with the UK on the outside - and the economy would plummet like a rock.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The EU is a bit of a mess, yeah. Mad as a sack of kittens. And perhaps it should never have been created in the first place, or rather, when it was created it should have been a much more simple set of agreements and trade principles.

However, that boat has sailed, and now that we ARE part of it, leaving it would be an absolute disaster. You can't just say "leave" and then it be as if the EU doesn't exist - it will still exist - only with the UK on the outside - and the economy would plummet like a rock.

Youre ignoring all my other points? why? and youre ignoring the option of the 3rd way just remaining a trading partner and not a full member

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

Youre ignoring all my other points? why? and youre ignoring the option of the 3rd way just remaining a trading partner and not a full member

Because it's a binary question. Are we better off in or out? We are better off in. Therefore, the main leaders are pro-EU. The other points about how bad it is or isn't are largely moot? Leaving the EU would be a disaster... even if being in the EU is bad. Like... having cancer, that's bad. No one would ever try to claim that it isn't bad. But if you've got cancer and you're about to be hit by a speeding train... the cancer, and how bad it is or isn't, is completely and utterly irrelevant.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Because it's a binary question. Are we better off in or out? We are better off in. Therefore, the main leaders are pro-EU. The other points about how bad it is or isn't are largely moot? Leaving the EU would be a disaster... even if being in the EU is bad. Like... having cancer, that's bad. No one would ever try to claim that it isn't bad. But if you've got cancer and you're about to be hit by a speeding train... the cancer, and how bad it is or isn't, is completely and utterly irrelevant.

for the 4th time what about the 3rd option? in as a trading partner but now a full member making all the rules , thus simply trading but being ruled by british laws?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

for the 4th time what about the 3rd option? in as a trading partner but now a full member making all the rules , thus simply trading but being ruled by british laws?

Trade with EU member states would be absolutely decimated though. It's not as simple as the UK just demanding; well we'll just opt out but still trade in the same way. You can't just opt out of the bad parts of being an EU member state and choose to keep the good?