[chuff me dizzy]

Easy question.....Do you think Harry was lying about what Sam was doing ?

[Josy]

Yes.

I also think a decent person (or friend since Harry claims she was friends with Sam but Marc ruined it) would have covered Sam up and left it there, not run back to the other housemates laughing and making actions that described Sam as masturbating AND then attempt to make Sam feel uncomfortable about it on the sofas.

In the highlights description it states that when Harry is in the DR she 'denies lying about the incident'

[Vanessa]

Maybe she just jumped to conclusions? Either way she should have kept quiet.

[Niamh.]

what happened?

[Liam-]

I think she saw what she saw, whether she got it wrong or not is completely different, a couple of housemates said they saw her with her hand at her crotch, so she obviously saw that, if she got it wrong, then that's just a mistake and everyone makes them.

But lets not pretend that she was the only one making comments and making Sam 'uncomfortable' - which she clearly wasn't - please, there was a load of them doing it.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

what happened?

This is from the highlights description

· Late last night, Sam was sleeping in the bed with her bottom half uncovered and her hand on her underwear. Some of the Housemates were laughing at her. Harry approached her bed and covered her up.

Then Harry ran back to the other housemates making fingering motions (as if Sam was masturbating) she then said on the sofas the next day that it was very graphic etc

Danny was a bit of a prick about it all too.

[Lister of Smeg]

Im saying yes because im convinced she's made it her mission to spite certain people in there Sam being one of them.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I think she saw what she saw, whether she got it wrong or not is completely different, a couple of housemates said they saw her with her hand at her crotch, so she obviously saw that, if she got it wrong, then that's just a mistake and everyone makes them.

But lets not pretend that she was the only one making comments and making Sam 'uncomfortable' - which she clearly wasn't - please, there was a load of them doing it.

Um Harry clearly did not just say her hand was at her crotch, come on you know for a fact what she implied.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

This is from the highlights description



Then Harry ran back to the other housemates making fingering motions (as if Sam was masturbating) she then said on the sofas the next day that it was very graphic etc

Danny was a bit of a prick about it all too.

Oh :/ This house is so grim

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Josy

Yes.

I also think a decent person (or friend since Harry claims she was friends with Sam but Marc ruined it) would have covered Sam up and left it there, not run back to the other housemates laughing and making actions that described Sam as masturbating AND then attempt to make Sam feel uncomfortable about it on the sofas.

In the highlights description it states that when Harry is in the DR she 'denies lying about the incident'

Harry told the others because she found it funny. It was funny so..

Nick and Joel brought it up at the sofas. Harry clarified what she saw.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Harry told the others because she found it funny. It was funny so..

Nick and Joel brought it up at the sofas. Harry clarified what she saw.

Told the others a lie.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Josy

Um Harry clearly did not just say her hand was at her crotch, come on you know for a fact what she implied.

Where did i say that she did? I said she saw what she saw, other people clearly saw the hand on the crotch, if Harry got it wrong, which she may have done, then she got it wrong, do I think she deliberately lied to get at Sam? no, i don't think she's that person whatsoever.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Josy

This is from the highlights description

If Sam had on underwear how come Danny said that he saw 'everything' ?

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Josy

Told the others a lie.

That cannot be established due to the view we as viewers had.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Where did i say that she did? I said she saw what she saw, other people clearly saw the hand on the crotch, if Harry got it wrong, which she may have done, then she got it wrong, do I think she deliberately lied to get at Sam? no, i don't think she's that person whatsoever.

The thread is asking a specific question though Liam, yes Sam did have her hand on her crotch, but that isn't what Harry said she saw, im pretty sure Harry of all people can clearly see a difference between a hand resting on a crotch and 'graphic fingering' so she blatantly lied about what she saw.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by MrWong

That cannot be established due to the view we as viewers had.

It can be established due to the highlights description confirming it....

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Josy

It can be established due to the highlights description confirming it....

The highlights description said Sam had underwear on. Danny said he saw 'everything'... How so?

[Ellen]

She was lying imo.

I agree with Josy, any decent person would have just covered her over and left it at that.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Josy

The thread is asking a specific question though Liam, yes Sam did have her hand on her crotch, but that isn't what Harry said she saw, im pretty sure Harry of all people can clearly see a difference between a hand resting on a crotch and 'graphic fingering' so she blatantly lied about what she saw.

And like i said, I don't think she purposely lied, did she see the hand on the crotch? yes, could she have interpreted it as something else? yes, do i think she went out of her way to make up a lie, just to embarrass/humiliate Sam in front of everyone and on tv? No.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

And like i said, I don't think she purposely lied, did she see the hand on the crotch? yes, could she have interpreted it as something else? yes, do i think she went out of her way to make up a lie, just to embarrass/humiliate Sam in front of everyone and on tv? No.

You don't think Harry, that works in the sex industry could clearly tell if someone was resting a hand on a crotch or graphically masturbating?

She had a good enough look...

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Liam-

And like i said, I don't think she purposely lied, did she see the hand on the crotch? yes, could she have interpreted it as something else? yes, do i think she went out of her way to make up a lie, just to embarrass/humiliate Sam in front of everyone and on tv? No.

Quite easily. Sam might have been scratching her vag which could be interpreted as fingering.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Josy

You don't think Harry, that works in the sex industry could clearly tell if someone was resting a hand on a crotch or graphically masturbating?

She had a good enough look...

They'd all been drinking, everything was probably heightened, things get exaggerated, I'm not going to call for her head on a platter for, what i believe to be, an honest mistake.

Besides, we already know that Sam gets a bit frisky when she's had a drink don't we? she could have been.

[Josy]

Oh it's the drinks fault now

Grubby Harry got caught out lying again.

[Liam-]

Oh Josy, people have different perspective of things, which you have claimed to defend your opinions, many, many times, it is my opinion that she didn't purposely lie, as MRWong said, Sam could have easily moved her hand or her finger in a way when Harry was covering her up that looked like what Harry is saying she did, we don't know, we didn't get the camera angles, but imo, Harry did not purposely lie about it.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Oh Josy, people have different perspective of things, which you have claimed to defend your opinions, many, many times, it is my opinion that she didn't purposely lie, as MRWong said, Sam could have easily moved her hand or her finger in a way when Harry was covering her up that looked like what Harry is saying she did, we don't know, we didn't get the camera angles, but imo, Harry did not purposely lie about it.

Yes liam but the thread question is asking if she lied and she did, it's plain to see if you don't have a blinkered view of certain housemates where some can do NO wrong at all.