[Ammi]

..’immorality’ is a judgement on someone’s character which is what housemates do as do the public/viewers which is based on their own personal judgement of what they personally think is ‘immoral’ and also not the ‘truth’....it’s not a judgement of physical appearance from someone who has been unhappy enough to have had surgery to make changes to their own physical appearance or in total disregard to anyone’s feelings...and Jack is not ‘exempt’ from anything obviously as his physical size has been referred to many times but that doesn’t make it any less unnecessary to do so or to applaud anyone who does so by excusing it as being ‘honesty’ ...Helen aims to hurt and offend, Helen aims to ‘entertain’, Helen aims to deliver what is expected of her, nothing even remotely resembling ‘truth’ or ‘honesty’....and if that 'fat' housemate was a public favourite that 'honestly' would not be applauded as such a positive trait at all...but of course she knows exactly where public popularity lays and what to 'pick at'.....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..’immorality’ is a judgement on someone’s character which is what housemates do as do the public/viewers which is based on their own personal judgement of what they personally think is ‘immoral’ and also not the ‘truth’....it’s not a judgement of physical appearance from someone who has been unhappy enough to have had surgery to make changes to their own physical appearance or in total disregard to anyone’s feelings...and Jack is not ‘exempt’ from anything obviously as his physical size has been referred to many times but that doesn’t make it any less unnecessary to do so or to applaud anyone who does so by excusing it as being ‘honesty’ ...Helen aims to hurt and offend, Helen aims to ‘entertain’, Helen aims to deliver what is expected of her, nothing even remotely resembling ‘truth’ or ‘honesty’....and if that 'fat' housemate was a public favourite that 'honestly' would not be applauded as such a positive trait at all...but of course she knows exactly where public popularity lays and what to 'pick at'.....

Ah well if you're presuming that making comments based on morality are less offensive/hurtful than those based on looks then there's nothing to discuss.
Personally I don't.
Immorality is based on personal perception and there is no definitive 'truth' however no matter which way you look at him Jack is fat.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ah well if you're presuming that making comments based on morality are less offensive/hurtful than those based on looks then there's nothing to discuss.
Personally I don't.
Immorality is based on personal perception and there is no definitive 'truth' however no matter which way you look at him Jack is fat.

..where applicable to something specific in the house, morality has been discussed in every BB and by virtually every housemate ever in there with few exceptions as it also has by the public as well and definitely on forums where it is thrashed until it pleads for mercy...and is no justification for intentional insults about anyone's physical appearance by anyone such as Helen made...but I'm not going to run around with you in circles with this to appease your own agenda as you yourself I believe have expressed how nasty/spiteful you think Helen is... something that I do agree with...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..where applicable to something specific in the house, morality has been discussed in every BB and by virtually every housemate ever in there with few exceptions as it also has by the public as well and definitely on forums where it is thrashed until it pleads for mercy...and is no justification for intentional insults about anyone's physical appearance by anyone such as Helen made...but I'm not going to run around with you in circles with this to appease your own agenda as you yourself I believe have expressed how nasty/spiteful you think Helen is... something that I do agree with...

So what? doesn't make it right because you attempt to justify it.
Insults whether against someone personally, socially or spiritually have been up for discussion yes, that's a good point ammi they have all insulted each other I wouldn't say one more than the other just some more overt in varying degrees.
I'm not running in a circle I just won't distinguish one form of insult from another, if one is wrong they all are.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So what? doesn't make it right because you attempt to justify it.
Insults whether against someone personally, socially or spiritually have been up for discussion yes, that's a good point ammi they have all insulted each other I wouldn't say one more than the other just some more overt in varying degrees.
I'm not running in a circle I just won't distinguish one form of insult from another, if one is wrong they all are.